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07-11-2007, 02:18 PM
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Morgester-
Fraud is one thing, but what about kit cars that were legally titled in other states as 1960s model years in accordance with those states applicable laws? Is CA not going to give full faith and credit to the determination of its sister states that a car should be titled as X year? Certainly CA cannot prosecute the owners of such cars without running afoul of the full credit clause.
And putting aside that issue for a moment, XLR8OR is correct- amnesty is no good without a viable and legal alternative way of registering your car.
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07-11-2007, 02:33 PM
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kit car is a SPCN
Forgive my “here we go again.” This has been a repeating thread for the last four years. Regardless of what the vehicle was tilted as in another jurisdiction, California requires it to be registered a SPCN.
Would you ever be prosecuted for this, extremely doubtful. Will your registration be pulled, guaranteed. If it is a kit car or replica vehicle it has to be registered as a SPCN in California.
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07-11-2007, 02:45 PM
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If you say that be the rules, then that be the rules. It would be interesting to see if that position would carry the day if challenged in court, because CA is essentially voiding the valid and legally binding actions of other states, but so be it I guess.
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07-11-2007, 02:53 PM
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Cobra Make, Engine: 70 Shelby convertible, ERA-289 FIA, ERA 289 roadster hybrid, mystery Ford powered 2dr convertible
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Originally Posted by Morgester
Forgive my “here we go again.” This has been a repeating thread for the last four years. Regardless of what the vehicle was tilted as in another jurisdiction, California requires it to be registered a SPCN.
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Mr Morgester,
While an eloquent response to "Chaplin"s post above, you did not answer his questions and concerns. Please do so in a straight forward manner so that we can finally put these issues to bed. If you do not have an answer to a question on legality, then it is up to you and your dept to find out what the answer is within your government and then post it here. Just as if you were in a court of law, it is up to you as the person making and upholding the laws to be able to back up what you are posting with facts, not a "well maybe", which again in a court of law would have the judge citing you for contempt.
Bill S.
PS: Just so you know, I'm be sending off a copy of this thread link to Barbara Boxer (you know my connection there from previous email correspondense), so once again, please make sure to answer the questions posed in response to your continued questionable posts here with 100% accurate answers, as there will be others in the California government watching your responses with a keen eye.
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07-11-2007, 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Chaplin
Morgester-
Fraud is one thing, but what about kit cars that were legally titled in other states as 1960s model years in accordance with those states applicable laws? Is CA not going to give full faith and credit to the determination of its sister states that a car should be titled as X year? Certainly CA cannot prosecute the owners of such cars without running afoul of the full credit clause.
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What it boils down to is that the kit/replica vehicle is not a vintage car so it doesn't matter what another state says it is.
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07-18-2007, 11:52 AM
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Morgester-
Is CA not going to give full faith and credit to the determination of its sister states that a car should be titled as X year? Certainly CA cannot prosecute the owners of such cars without running afoul of the full credit clause.
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Turns out that California specifically addresses this issue:
Vehicle Code § 4304. Effect of foreign certificates of title
Upon application for registration of a vehicle previously registered outside this State, the department shall grant full faith and credit to the currently valid certificate of title describing the vehicle, the ownership thereof, and any liens thereon, issued by the state in which the vehicle was last registered, except that the laws of the state shall provide for the notation upon the certificate of title of any and all liens and encumbrances other than those dependent upon possession.
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