CA: New criminal cases filed

[Igofastr]

Actually, the legal method (while a PITA) has been well documented here on CC. I can't imagin anybody interested in these cars in the state of California isn't aware of the rules. It's not like they haven't been discussed ad nauseum. Via the SB100 process is THE only way to legaly register a component vehicle in this state. Any other methold is fraudulent.

I'm all for changing the system, but as it stands right how, this is how it's done.

[ENTDOC]

I will never understand why you guys stay in that state. You probably would get an exemption if you were an illegal alien

[Igofastr]

Originally Posted by ENTDOC

I will never understand why you guys stay in that state. You probably would get an exemption if you were an illegal alien

Ha Ha!! I'd move in a heartbeat if I could get my wife to agree.

Are you in the medical profession? If so, know of any Path groups looking for a new partner?

Oh nevermind, I'm just beginning to get the hang of spanish...

[JohnWorthing848]

I wonder how many of the Cobra Replicas and 32 Fords and such that were registered "Illegally" were done so at market value. In other words the state feels they have been screwed out of tax revenue. And if you declared the value of your $65,000 replica as a $2000 1965 Ford, you did screw the state.
BTW why did you use a title company to begin with?

If the state was smart they would do away with the 500 annual limit and let everybody line up and register there damn cars under SB100. Oh lets see... Small example, 2,000 cars at $40,000 value at 7.5% sales tax = $6,000.000.00 in taxes to the state.

Would it hurt some folks to write the check for the unpaid taxes, sure. But, you would sleep soundly knowing that your car is clean, can be registered or sold at market value.

And for you folks in other states, how do you declare the value of your car?

If you came to CA from AZ to sell me your car and showed me a title for a 1965 Ford, SO WHAT! Why should any state recognize an incorrectly titled vehicle. SPF, Kirkham, does not matter, IT IS NOT A 1965 FORD! Your title designation has ZERO effect on the value of your car! Unless you find some idiot who doesn't know any better.

I am not trying to be a jerk about this but come on! And for all of you folks who are constantly feeling sorry for us poor folks in CA, please save you sympathy for somebody who really needs it.

[jdog]

Bx1, do you remember last Sat when I said that Morgester was after your car? And that you should get in line in Jan for an SB100 #?

This is what I was talking about!

Lay low until Jan & then GET ONE OF THOSE NUMBERS!

jdog
P.S. How's that Techron working?

[Bx1]

Originally Posted by jdog

Bx1, do you remember last Sat when I said that Morgester was after your car? And that you should get in line in Jan for an SB100 #?

This is what I was talking about!

Lay low until Jan & then GET ONE OF THOSE NUMBERS!

jdog
P.S. How's that Techron working?

Yes, I remember... I intend to get inline Jan. 2, 2008....

[mrmustang]

Originally Posted by JohnWorthing848

I am not trying to be a jerk about this but come on! And for all of you folks who are constantly feeling sorry for us poor folks in CA, please save you sympathy for somebody who really needs it.

John,

I think you missed the point several threads ago on this subject. Some state REQUIRE the owner to title it as the year and model it replicates. This is not fraud when the issuing state or county jurisdication states it as a matter of law. The problem starts when another state voids that legally issued title (which then really becomes a Federal offense for tampering with a VIN and title chain) and attempts to rewrite the laws and the title chain for it's own politically motivated purposes.

Bill S.

[Morgester]

Originally Posted by mrmustang

John,

I think you missed the point several threads ago on this subject. Some state REQUIRE the owner to title it as the year and model it replicates. This is not fraud when the issuing state or county jurisdication states it as a matter of law. The problem starts when another state voids that legally issued title (which then really becomes a Federal offense for tampering with a VIN and title chain) and attempts to rewrite the laws and the title chain for it's own politically motivated purposes.

Bill S.

There seems to be some confusion regarding bringing in a specially constructed vehicle that has been “legally titled” in another state.

Vehicle Code § 4304. Effect of foreign certificates of title

Upon application for registration of a vehicle previously registered outside this State, the department shall grant full faith and credit to the currently valid certificate of title describing the vehicle, the ownership thereof, and any liens thereon, issued by the state in which the vehicle was last registered, except that the laws of the state shall provide for the notation upon the certificate of title of any and all liens and encumbrances other than those dependent upon possession.

By statute California is required to honor the previously issued title if it was legally issued. The question is does that mean California also has to honor the issued “year of manufacture” for emission testing purposes? I have asked DMV this question and they “will get back to me.”

I have seen DMV in the past require legally titled out-of-state vehicles that are kit cars pass emission testing based on the SPCN rules. In short you can call it anything you want but it still has to pass emissions test under the SPCN rules.

Obviously there is an argument that in granting “full faith and credit” to the description of the vehicle would include they year of manufacture (1965), which in turn would mean that the vehicle is smog exempt. Unique loop hole that only lawyers could appreciate.

My recommendation, for what it is worth, is full disclosure. If DMV is aware that your 2007 kit car was legally registered pursuant to state law as a 1965 Ford, how DMV chooses to handle it is up to DMV. At some point I am sure we will have an answer.

[Chaplin]

Originally Posted by Cobrabill

are you kidding me?Who the F*&K is the state of California to tell another state that "they" are doing it "wrong".If my Cobra is registered in Az or any other state as a 1965,then it's a NINETEEN SIXTY FIVE FRIGGIN COBRA!!!

Bil, you are absolutely correct. I've said it before on these threads and was trying to avoid saying it again, but since you brought it up, there is a little clause in the U.S. Constitution (forgotten in CA apparently) called the Full, Faith and Credit Clause which requires states to uphold the public acts and judicial determinations of other states. If AZ law says it's a 1965, CA should honor it. JMO.

[Randy Rosenberg]

Originally Posted by Cobrabill

are you kidding me?Who the F*&K is the state of California to tell another state that "they" are doing it "wrong".If my Cobra is registered in Az or any other state as a 1965,then it's a NINETEEN SIXTY FIVE FRIGGIN COBRA!!!

Actually, if I bought your 1965 Cobra for $250,000 - that's a good deal for a vintage, original Cobra is such fine shape, and CA issued me the title of my newly acquired 1965 Cobra. Yeehaw, I just bot a $1/2M car for $250K!!! I even have an official state document that says it's a 1965 Cobra - if CA recognizes it as an 1965 Cobra, then it must be...right? Then I learn that it is not an original 1965 Cobra, but in fact a "replica" built in 2004 (for example). I got ripped off! But wait, CA says it's a 1965 - hmmm... The seller is long gone, laughing his way to the bank. I'll need to recoup my loss, so I'll just sue CA - per their official documentation, I should have purchased a 1965 Cobra, but the state failed to do due dilligence and misrepresented the vehicle. The state allowed the seller to misrepresent the vehicle, and therefore they are responsible for my loss.

The state does not want any more of these law suits...

Honestly, if you want to bring your vehicle to CA, then you need to follow the current laws in CA to do so. Yes, we can all agrue that the laws suck, but there's not a lot we can do about it. Heck, even SEMA can't seem to do anything about it.