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Comparing 4000 and 6000 series
New to the forum and planning to become a new owner in 2022. Lots of questions for the braintrust here but I am trying to do my homework first.
After scanning the forum, I did not see a recent thread comparing the CSX 4000 and 6000 series. I am most interested in your perspectives on the differences in performance and value, if any. I am wondering if there are fundamental differences between the series themselves, less focused on the specific differences between any two cars – for example 4999 and 6000. Question about value. How would you assess value across the two series? Maybe a specific question would be more helpful here: how would you use comps from recent sales of a 4000 car and a 6000 car that have similar specs? At least similar to my untrained eye anyway. With the passing of Mr. Shelby, what do you think the effect will be on the long term value of the recent 6000 series cars that don’t have his signature on the MSO? Thanks, Brian |
They "ran out" of 4xxx numbers and started with 6xxx. Other than that the cars are the same. There are some evolutionary changes and options that may or may not be available any longer, but there are no significant differences.
Older fibreglass 4xxx series cars are thought to be "superior", especially if you can find one that is pre-Hi-Tech (same manufacturer as Superformance, but not the same car). Especially the ones from HST. Mine was a carbon fiber HST car and I thought it was gorgeous. The quality of the body work was perfect. Same for alloy body cars - early 4xxx alloy cars were built in house, starting at some point they were built by Kirkham (but were different from Kirkham), and at some point the alloy 4xxx/6xxx became just a Kirkham pulled off the line to get a CSX number. Any of them will serve you well. I still say they were of the highest overall quality of all of the replicas. |
The signature on the MSO - real vs. machine pen - is to most people irrelevant since you surrender the MSO to your state when you get a title. (A MSO is "title number zero") You can make a copy of it. But even if you cheat and say you lost the original, it won't make the car more valuable.
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Do not treat the car as an "investment for the future", but instead a shiny toy you want to own. Why, simple, because Shelby Enterprises is still pumping them out as fast as they can sell them, thus further diluting the market. Quote:
Bill S. PS: I'm betting that during his lifetime, CS signed over 100,000 items, some are his actual signature, some are robo signatures he himself authorized. Sadly, they are both worth less today, than when they were originally signed. Value, sentimental more than monetary. Again, sorry. PSS: I'm also betting that after is passing, the robo signing of his name continued, thus diluting the "value" you speak about above. Again, sorry. |
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The robo signatures are different than the in person ones - three vs two hash marks? (or the reverse of that). |
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Again, just my two cents worth as someone who has been involved in the hobby since the early 80's Bill S. PS: We are talking, stand alone, private sales, as auction results can vary greatly depending on the amount of alcoholic drinks served, and the ego(s) involved at that time. Auction results, do not make the market as a whole. |
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*First off there were running changes during the 4000 and 6000 Series cars, brakes, gauges, wiring harnesses, suspension components, etc…
*An aluminum car will always be more valuable than a glass or composite body car. *It has not happened yet but I believe there will be price premiums on Continuation cars that were built during Shelby’s lifetime vs those that were built afterwards. *I also believe that cars built under Superformance’s licensing agreement with SAI will be less valuable as they are completely detached from SAI. *Look at which shop completed the assembly and the components used for the build. To say that the Continuation Series Cobras have not appreciated over time is being out of touch with reality, cars that were bought when the program first started are seeing better than modest gains in their investments, especially the aluminum bodied cars. |
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the highest quality replica, wich would also be the highest worth replica, especially if they are called CSX Continuation Cobra, would be a nut and bolt original reproduction. This is what the CSX cars are not, anyway as glass cars, but even the aluminum cars are far away from originality, as rollers and as turnkey cars. If you want a nut and bolt original spec CSX Continuation Cobra, you have to rebuild it completely... |
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I would have loved to have had McClusky's car. |
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And all of them basically track current replacement cost (since it was stated that Shelby and all the others crank them out based on demand). A number of years ago I was mistakenly sent the Shelby internal price sheet (which had their cost). The margins were quite handsome. There is no reason to believe the others in the class don't benefit from similar profits. And everyone fawns over ERA, but I wasn't impressed. |
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I would much rather have a Vegas built car CSX4000 vs the higher number. But thats me.
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have to agree with that. I might be a little biased Tom |
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I will agree, the earlier sold CSX4000 series cars that are fully sorted will hold more of a chance of being sold at a profit than the later cars. The first part of that is of course the early cars benefited from a lack of price increases, thus giving the original owners a better chance of breaking even, or turning a small profit. Once you get into the resale market after that, and I've said it before, don't bother viewing the car as a investment, but a shiny bauble that you want to own. Great deals (100% of them private and not advertised publically) happen, but they are far and few between, and no offense, but people like me generally get those calls ;) Bill S. |
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