4000 series hub / upright / spidle options

[Power Surge]

Originally Posted by shelby racer

That is a great question that I would love to know. I have considered using my wonderful new SAAC registry to start trying to contact people. Like I said - I got the time.... and I am not going away or gonna roll over

Having a helping hand in collecting CSX4000 data and pics for the registry, I will take a look at the pics I have of various cars and see what I can come up with.

[shelby racer]

Originally Posted by Power Surge

Having a helping hand in collecting CSX4000 data and pics for the registry, I will take a look at the pics I have of various cars and see what I can come up with.

Can you tell ANYthing about the suspension??

[shelby racer]

Why do some (although not all) think that additional expenses (such as taking the car back to SAI or R&Ring parts) are fairly my resposability?? Not inconsequential.

[Power Surge]

Originally Posted by shelby racer

Why do some (although not all) think that additional expenses (such as taking the car back to SAI or R&Ring parts) are fairly my resposability?? Not inconsequential.

Well, I could ask why you think you shouldn't pay for it? There is no warranty on the car from Shelby. It's no different than buying a car from a private owner. It's AS IS. Now, your dealer may give you some kind of warranty, but again, that's between you and your dealer, not Shelby. Shelby sells the car to the dealer, as is, with no warranty.

I agree it sucks you have problems with such low miles. I agree that Shelby could have taken better care of you and your car. But I also agree that Shelby either has the right to deny helping you since the car is sold as is, or they can go out of their way to help you. They are not obligated to help you. Help from them IS a favor, as ass-backwards as that sounds.

[shelby racer]

Originally Posted by Power Surge

Well, I could ask why you think you shouldn't pay for it? There is no warranty on the car from Shelby. It's no different than buying a car from a private owner. It's AS IS. Now, your dealer may give you some kind of warranty, but again, that's between you and your dealer, not Shelby. Shelby sells the car to the dealer, as is, with no warranty.

I agree it sucks you have problems with such low miles. I agree that Shelby could have taken better care of you and your car. But I also agree that Shelby either has the right to deny helping you since the car is sold as is, or they can go out of their way to help you. They are not obligated to help you. Help from them IS a favor, as ass-backwards as that sounds.

MAYBE they don't offer a warranty any more, but I have a doccument that states "Shelby American warrants that the parts and components comprising The Shelby Cobra will be free from defect in material and workmanship for a period of six (6) months. This warranty will be limited to the repair and replacemnt of parts and components when there is show to be defect." Funny how it says NOTHING about "sold as is" ...SOL. I have it in writing. Where are you getting your information to tell me how it is? I also may not be a lawyer, but my understanding of the law is that companies have a much greater liability than individuals - but I could be wrong since I am not a proffesional or an expert.

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by Power Surge

Well, I could ask why you think you shouldn't pay for it? There is no warranty on the car from Shelby. It's no different than buying a car from a private owner. It's AS IS.

Putting warranty issues aside, I believe there is an underlying moral obligation on SAI's part to fix SR's car. If I was building this car, and calling it a "real PatrickT Cobra," and using all new parts, and charging you a hundred grand or so for it, and it started coming apart in less than 400 miles, I would fix it. And you wouldn't have to ask me twice.

[RICK LAKE]

Got The BUG Sorry Doug for my writing. I missed alot of school on the important days when they where doing
paragraghs
for
proper
english
writing.
The important thing is you get the message.
Have a good one
Doug.
Thanks for the input, I'm going back to school at 50+ age
They call my age retreads. O-BOY.

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by RICK LAKE

Sorry bug about my writing style

I think of Rick as being my evil twin.

[767Jockey]

Originally Posted by RICK LAKE

Got The BUG Sorry Doug for my writing. I missed alot of school on the important days when they where doing
paragraghs
for
proper
english
writing.
The important thing is you get the message.
Have a good one
Doug.
Thanks for the input, I'm going back to school at 50+ age
They call my age retreads. O-BOY.

Rick, Don't apologize to ME, I think it's a very unique writing style, I was standing up for you. It's the other guy who's bugged by your writing style, I kind of enjoy it, it's how I know it's you who's writing!

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by patrickt

Putting warranty issues aside, I believe there is an underlying moral obligation on SAI's part to fix SR's car. If I was building this car, and calling it a "real PatrickT Cobra," and using all new parts, and charging you a hundred grand or so for it, and it started coming apart in less than 400 miles, I would fix it. And you wouldn't have to ask me twice.

PowerSurge... I bet over 99% of the ClubCobra audience agrees with this sentiment.

[shelby racer]

Originally Posted by patrickt

PowerSurge... I bet over 99% of the ClubCobra audience agrees with this sentiment.

I had a friend tell me a year ago that he wished he had lied and cheated more because he sees how it has gotten others ahead. It is sad that it stands out when people do what is right as opposed to it being more of the standard. It has gotten to the point where there are commercials on TV trying to encourage people to do the right thing. I have been fortunate that I have people who still believe in doing the right thing in my life. Believe me, I had a bunch that go the other way also (and we are not talking about ignoring a problem but cheating and stealing) - like the fact that the first cobra I had was an Arntz I I had the "honor" of getting personally ripped off by Steve Arntz.

[Power Surge]

Originally Posted by shelby racer

Can you tell ANYthing about the suspension??

Unfortunately all the pics I have of 4750-up cars either show body/frame with no suspension, or all together with the wheels on. I could not find one pic that showed the suspension with the wheels off .

[RedCSX1]

John,

Did you contact Tom like I recommended? If not then you need to. As far as taking the car to Vegas on your dime. It may be worth it to get it sorted out once and far all. Mine has been fine since the correction was made.

[shelby racer]

Originally Posted by RedCSX1

John,

Did you contact Tom like I recommended? If not then you need to. As far as taking the car to Vegas on your dime. It may be worth it to get it sorted out once and far all. Mine has been fine since the correction was made.

There were a series of Cobra's before Amy came on board @at Shelby that did have suspension issues. Mine was a an improperly machined bushing that eventually ate up the hub seal and bearing/race. My Cobra has the old style suspenion. All my dealing with Amy have been great.

There are some areas on these cars that are better left to experts to correct and they are not found at Shelby in many cases.

NOTE: Sal, you are not helping!

No, I still have not called Tom, but I hope to Monday or tuesday. I can not afford to do anything about it as far as replacing major parts of the suspension. I am trying to make due with what I have and make it safe until SAI steps up to the plate or I can afford to fix it myself.

[shelby racer]

Originally Posted by Power Surge

Unfortunately all the pics I have of 4750-up cars either show body/frame with no suspension, or all together with the wheels on. I could not find one pic that showed the suspension with the wheels off .

Oh well, I would have been surpised if you could have found what we were looking for

[RodKnock]

While I've only out on 700 miles on my Kirkham, about the only thing that immediately comes to mind that I didn't like were the dash switches. I thought they were cheap. The fuel pump switch had to jiggled once or twice. Most owners can live with these small items that don't work or need upgrading and fix them. In my opinion, shelbyracer's problem goes well beyond the little things that need improvement with these cars. So, I disagree with Sal on this one. shelbyracer's car was delivered with a serious design defect. SAI should step up to the plate and fix the problem and not claim that there isn't a fix, because THERE IS. SAI is being ridiculous, assuming we have all or most of the facts.

However, shelbyracer also has to find the most cost effective approach too. You can sell it as is, you can pay the bill and fix the problem and not bother SAI, or you can pay the bill and go down the road of suing SAI.

Alternatively, there's the civil disobedience approach. I remember a very long time ago, when a homeowner in a new tract of homes had a problem (or problems) with a very large real estate developer/homebuilder. This homeowner, in their opinion, received no satisfaction from developer/home builder. So, instead of suing the home builder, the homeowner erected a 10-foot high yellow lemon and sat it right on their front lawn. Thus, any new/prospective homebuyer would see it as they passed through the subdivision. So, this is what you could do. Every car show, every major Cobra replica exhibit or event, anywhere you know where SAI will have a display, SAAC events, etc. you could be there with your car and a 10-foot tall yellow lemon. Tow it with you everywhere.

[shelby racer]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

While I've only out on 700 miles on my Kirkham, about the only thing that immediately comes to mind that I didn't like were the dash switches. I thought they were cheap. The fuel pump switch had to jiggled once or twice. Most owners can live with these small items that don't work or need upgrading and fix them. In my opinion, shelbyracer's problem goes well beyond the little things that need improvement with these cars. So, I disagree with Sal on this one. shelbyracer's car was delivered with a serious design defect. SAI should step up to the plate and fix the problem and not claim that there isn't a fix, because THERE IS. SAI is being ridiculous, assuming we have all or most of the facts.

However, shelbyracer also has to find the most cost effective approach too. You can sell it as is, you can pay the bill and fix the problem and not bother SAI, or you can pay the bill and go down the road of suing SAI.

Alternatively, there's the civil disobedience approach. I remember a very long time ago, when a homeowner in a new tract of homes had a problem (or problems) with a very large real estate developer/homebuilder. This homeowner, in their opinion, received no satisfaction from developer/home builder. So, instead of suing the home builder, the homeowner erected a 10-foot high yellow lemon and sat it right on their front lawn. Thus, any new/prospective homebuyer would see it as they passed through the subdivision. So, this is what you could do. Every car show, every major Cobra replica exhibit or event, anywhere you know where SAI will have a display, SAAC events, etc. you could be there with your car and a 10-foot tall yellow lemon. Tow it with you everywhere.

Maybe I should become "lemon racer" One thing that surprises me is that Shelby never suggested that I talk with XKs unlimited when I had my first problems. I don't know if it was because they had realized that XKs was a steaming pile or if Xks was on its ay out or if they knew that XKs was not capable of fixing the problem?

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by shelby racer

Maybe I should become "lemon racer" One thing that surprises me is that Shelby never suggested that I talk with XKs unlimited when I had my first problems. I don't know if it was because they had realized that XKs was a steaming pile or if Xks was on its ay out or if they knew that XKs was not capable of fixing the problem?

How about "LemonShelbyRacer"? Most companies do not want negative publicity. The squeaky wheel gets the grease. This is a last desperate move, but holy cow, I feel badly for you. Seriously, you can't get satisfaction, civil disobedience has worked for many causes throughout history.

[shelby racer]

Okay, we may be able to stop bashing SAI quite as much Some one was nice enough to take the time and send me images of the uprights from his car. The one on the left is the original design from CAV /HST. The one on the right is the upgrade, which is what I have on my car. If there is a newer one that solves the problem, I would love to see it.

[shelby racer]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

How about "LemonShelbyRacer"? Most companies do not want negative publicity. The squeaky wheel gets the grease. This is a last desperate move, but holy cow, I feel badly for you. Seriously, you can't get satisfaction, civil disobedience has worked for many causes throughout history.

How about lemon shelby since I don't want anyone to think that I race my shelby and get into any contentions that that is why it is hurt.