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On the mixing of replicas with authentic old cars at concours
I broached this subject first on a forum but was shouted down because some owners of replicas want to be able to park wherever they want but there wasn't space enough for me to elaborate why I think they ought to be in a separate section. I found another forum where I could post an editorial
on that subject for those that are interested. At the next big SoCal concours, I'll see if the organizers agree with me or if it's "anything goes." Here's the site with the editorial. Welcome to MMR | Motorsports Marketing Resources |
It's not just the Cobras. This has been going on for a long time. Duesenbergs and other classics that have been rebodied are looked upon as being less desirable than an original car. Most makes don't enjoy the extensive documentation that SAAC and others have been keeping track of for decades, so it sometimes gets difficult to say what is or is not correct and authentic. At a concours, though, I feel that the cars should be authentic. There are plenty of car shows where an owner of a replica can display his or her car and enjoy it. Leave the concours to the authentic cars.
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Originals are Originals. Why not keep them seperate. As long as you are true to test of original or real. I think Utah makes the best, period. So put them in a class by themselves. The rest are fiberglass(most) and be in that category. So no continuation or replica flaming. IMO built in the 60's and then the others.
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Wallace, I agree with you. But in defense of the La Jolla Concours, for which I serve on the organizing committee as well as a judge, I can tell you that there were NO replicas mixed in with the original cars on the show field. Which is to say, none of the cars eligible for judging were anything other than what they were stated to be. At this show, however, we do have a "car corral," in which a variety of cars participate. Within the corral there may well be replica automobiles. And if the owner of, say, a fiberglass M-B Gullwing reproduction wants too claim that his car is a "1955 Mercedes Benz" because SEMA and other organizations think this is acceptable, under the guise of labeling a car as that which it most closely resembles, well - I guess that's the owner's prerogative. I think you might be surprised at how many people at a show actually know the difference and simply accept the subterfuge as a common practice.
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I gotta say, this really hasn't been a problem up here in the Nation's Capital as there are no original Cobras here to get in the way of our replicas.
But I am always amazed at how many visitors to the show have an uncle with an original Cobra at home in the garage... if only they could remember the chassis number... ;-) |
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I am always amazed at how many visitors to the show have an uncle with an original Cobra at home in the garage... if only they could remember the chassis number... ;-)[/QUOTE] Next time, bet them $100 that they are full of it. Then, if they get insulted and go bring back the chassis number, you have something to work with. That would be worth the $100. |
Nope, does not matter what kit, replica, or continuation series it is. It's not an original and does not belong in the same area.
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Agreed, the replicas don't belong in the same area or classes as the originals. Isn't that the definition of a Concours?
On this note though, I would like to see classes set up at more historic races for replicas. It seems the originals are getting so valuable these days, fewer of them are being raced and the historic race fields are getting smaller each year. Bob |
Let's face it CSX2000 is the original and the rest replicas of that car....:LOL:
Just messing around, come on now! Concourse events are for a car that is original and in the state it was from the factory. There are two divisions which allow for totally original cars and original cars with replicated parts. That said when we talk 1960's CSX2000, CSX3000 cars only they can be in concours and not even all of them qualify; replicas ERA, FFR EM CCX including MKIV and new Shelby's would not qualify. I am a replica owner and also realize that my investment is 10X less than that of an original car. There is a place for replicas its called a car show, cruise night or possibly popular vote class. Concours is for the real deal....... Not for 100% reproduction cars Let the bell ring.... |
Why is this even a question?
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well, i love my little replica - but it should not be in a concours judgement next to the real-deal. i'd be happy getting an award in a replica class.
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csx2000 being the real deal :)
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Having competed in concourses with a Porsche in the 80's and early 90's, I don't see the issue here. Unlike a car show, a concourse is a competition on how close to original an original is. A replica would not be able to be competitive as it was never produced by the original factory, whatever make that would be. Points are deducted for repaint, new upholstery, missing tools ( I used to get dinged on that one) etc. So a replica would have no chance and the judges wouldn't be interested in judging it anyway.
Cars put for display only weren't judged, so they weren't in the same area as cars that were. I think that's how it should be. Larry |
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Not thinking of any particular car of course. Cheers, Glen |
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