Tko 600 - Where To Mount The Shifter

[jacb]

Hi

I’m just about to purchase a “SPF MK lll” + “Roush 427 SR TW (Dart Iron Block)” + “TKO 600 (TCET4617)” fitted with a TCKT5729 short input shaft kit (no spacer needed) ......... I need some advice regarding the transmission.

I would like the shifter to be moved forward, so that I end up with a straight (vertical) shifter - unlike the original, but now “kirckham” standard. The TKO can mount the shifter in four or more positions (measured from the face of the clutch housing) 19.52" standard, 16.75” standard reversed, 12.68” using a mid position kit and 7.02” using a forward position kit.

Since I have lost the thickness of the engine/transmission spacer (transmission moved forward) and if I use the “standard – reversed” shifter position ... will I end up with the short vertical shifter in a useable position in a SPF MK111 or should I purchase the mid position kit?

I plan to use:

• McLeod 8624 Bell housing
• McLeod 6913-07C Clutch kit
• Thrust bearing ……. ?
• Clutch Forks ……… ?
• Slave cylinder …….. ?

Can anyone help with the blank part numbers?

Thanks in advance

[Jimi G]

James I got your email I will be replying a little later, sorry for the delay. jimig@standardtransmission.com

[jacb]

Originally Posted by Jimi G

James I got your email I will be replying a little later, sorry for the delay. jimig@standardtransmission.com

Thanks Jimi ........ I look forward to hearing from you.

Regards

[Jim Vander Wal]

Hi,

I have SPF 1855, Windsor 427, tk0600

I mounted the shifter in the mid position, using a housing from D&D Transmission in Livonia, MI. This part may not have been needed.

Works fine or at least as well as TKO will shift. The shifter arm is about 6" long and almost straight up. I adjusted the shifter angle after the trans & engine were installed. The shifter arms was home built but there are commercial units available from Hurst andn other sources.

This location puts the shifter about 8" back from the dash and in a comfortable position. I like it and have never wished I did anything different.

Jim

[jacb]

Originally Posted by Jim Vander Wal

I mounted the shifter in the mid position. The shifter arm is about 6" long and almost straight up. This location puts the shifter about 8" back from the dash and in a comfortable position. I like it and have never wished I did anything different.
Jim

Thanks Jim

Just to make certain that I have got this correct ..... Did you use a spacer between your bellhousing and the engine (this tells me if you have a short input shaft) ..... if you do have a spacer then your transmission will be about 3/4" further back than mine will be .......... Ie if I dont use the spacer the shifter moves forward.

Did you purchased the "TKO mid position shifter kit" or simply reverse the standard shifter position? (no kit needed for the later).

[Jim Vander Wal]

No spacer between engine and bell housing.

Bought D&D's midshift kit. This is much like the Pro-5 shifter and the one that came with the TKO600. If it matters this package was purchased mid 2004 and is fairly early in the 600 program.

The D&D guys have been very good to work with and they've helped me through a few problems, leaks etc.

Just a plug on bell housings. I started with a McLeod and had problems with the starter alignment, dumped that beast and installed a Ford production aluminum, worked great. Then I saw the Quick Time scatter shield and installed that. An excellent and very cool product. Way lighter that the more normal scattershields and very well designed and built.

Jim

[jacb]

Originally Posted by Jimi G

James I got your email I will be replying a little later, sorry for the delay. jimig@standardtransmission.com

Hi Jimi

Still looking forward to hearing your thoughts .... any comments?

[ekrupa2]

I'll second the suggestion for a QuickTime bellhousing. Top notch all the way.

[jacb]

Originally Posted by ekrupa2

I'll second the suggestion for a QuickTime bellhousing. Top notch all the way.

I asked "Do you make an SFI approved bellhousing to fit between my Ford 351W (Dart iron block) and a TKO 600 (fitted with a short input shaft kit) without using a spacer? I hope to use an external slave cylinder and I plan to use a McLeod RST 6913-07C clutch kit - My flywheel is a 157 tooth item"


Just in ...... From Kim at QuickTime

RM-6063. Retail is $401.70.

We currently have non-SFI certified models in stock. We are switching this model to SFI. We are running them right now. These will be available in less than 2 weeks.


Thank you,
Kim Robinson
Vice President Sales/Marketing
QuickTime Inc.
641.673.4468

[jacb]

OK so it looks like it's going to be:

• TKO 600 (TCET4617)
• Fitted with a short input shaft kit TCKT5729 (removes the need for a spacer)
• QuickTime RM-6063 Bellhousing (wait two weeks for SFI certified model)
• McLeod Clutch RST 6913-O7C (may not need the "C" version of the kit - check)
• 157 tooth Roush Flywheel

What I need to work out now is where to get:

• The Hydraulic External Slave cylinder for the QuickTime Bellhousing
• A suitable T/O bearing
• Suitable clutch fork

Anyone ............. ?

I did see Mike's page http://www.clubcobra.com/forums/newr...treply&t=84513 ..... maybe his "Hydraulic External Slave For Steel bellhousing" would do the job? I beleive it comes with a fork but no T/O bearing.

I remain undecided about the need for a Tremec 30-17-4X mid-shift conversion kit ..... I could simply reverse the shifter in the standard position (moves shifter 2.77" forward) and hope that the 2.77" plus the thickness of the missing spacer (had the effect of moving the transmission forward) will be enough to place the short vertical shifter in a position that falls comfortably to hand ..... like the photo below. If I do go for the mid-shift kit it would move the shifter a further 4.07" forward (6.84" on standard) .... do I need this in the SPF MKlll ?

Last question .... am I correct in saying that when the mid-shift kit is fitted a Pro 5.0 shifter cannot be used?

This is what I want


Cobra standard .... not what I want

[jacb]

Just found this thread External Clutch Slave Cylinder for QT Bellhousing? answers a few questions.

[ekrupa2]

Jacb - I have the 402SR with a QuickTime. I purchased an external slave that fit perfect from Ward over at SnakePower. http://snakepowerperf.com/ The rod isnt adjustable but one can be made. I ended up going with just a spacer when i did my final adjustment. Once i get my car back (hopefully next week) i can take a pic and send it to you. If you are doing the install yourself, let me know. I just completed mine and could help you avoid some "gotchya's" along the way. I found out the hard way.

[jacb]

Originally Posted by ekrupa2

Jacb - I have the 402SR with a QuickTime. I purchased an external slave that fit perfect from Ward over at SnakePower. http://snakepowerperf.com/ The rod isnt adjustable but one can be made. I ended up going with just a spacer when i did my final adjustment. Once i get my car back (hopefully next week) i can take a pic and send it to you. If you are doing the install yourself, let me know. I just completed mine and could help you avoid some "gotchya's" along the way. I found out the hard way.

Thanks ekrupa2

That would be really helpfull ...... Thank you

[Jim Vander Wal]

James,

I couldn't find the D&D web page either, may nit have one. They are located in Wixom, MI.

No photos, sorry traveling now and donm't have my full system with me.

I am using a Ford clutch fork, not sure which one but the pivot is on the passenge side.

Clutch slave is a NAPA piece, not sure of p/n and I'm not home to check.

Clutch is a custom unit from Clutch Dynamics in Lansing, MI. Works great so far. Ceramic pads and very light pressure. Holds my engine with 450 lb/ft rwtqe.

Check out SCOF http://performanceunlimited.com/scof/
You may want to join

Jim

[jacb]

Originally Posted by Jim Vander Wal

James,

I couldn't find the D&D web page either, may not have one. They are located in Wixom, MI.

No photos, sorry traveling now and don't have my full system with me.

I am using a Ford clutch fork, not sure which one but the pivot is on the passenge side.

Clutch slave is a NAPA piece, not sure of p/n and I'm not home to check.

Clutch is a custom unit from Clutch Dynamics in Lansing, MI. Works great so far. Ceramic pads and very light pressure. Holds my engine with 450 lb/ft rwtqe.

Check out SCOF http://performanceunlimited.com/scof/subscribe.html You may want to join

Jim

Thanks Jim

I looked at the SCOF mailing list and will join just as soon as my order is placed and I am given a chassis number.

[jacb]

They say a picture paints a thousand words .......... Here are a few:

The QuickTime bellhousing, TKO with short input shaft (no spacer)
The TKO is using the rear most shifter position (standard pos'):


The QuickTime bellhousing modified by Mike Forte (mike@fortesparts.com) using a slave cylinder from CNC Brakes in California www.cncbrakes.com:


The McLeod bellhousing modified by Mike Forte:


An unmodified McLeod bellhousing and spacer for the standard TKO input shaft:


A TKO fitted with a mid position shift kit:

[ekrupa2]

EDIT MODE doesnt work so another post...

Also, I believe the TKO allows you to reverse the stock shifter forward without the mid-shift kit...i wonder if that would give you enough room.
download the Tremec catalog with the dimensions for further insight. http://www.ttcautomotive.com/English...vice%20Manuals

[jacb]

Originally Posted by ekrupa2

I believe the TKO allows you to reverse the stock shifter forward without the mid-shift kit...i wonder if that would give you enough room. Download the Tremec catalog with the dimensions for further insight. http://www.ttcautomotive.com/English...vice%20Manuals

Thanks ekrupa2

I did download the manual same time ago and tried to discuss the shifter position options earlier in this thread ..... What I dont have yet is a SPF MKlll to measure hence my questions.

Regards

[xlr8or]

Compare the height on the Quick Time to the McLeod bellhousings. On my 427 I didn't need a spacer or short shaft conversion for the Quick Time housing.

[jacb]

Hi James

Feel free to post this.

The RM-6063. Height is 6.3". It was built to adapt the SB Ford to short shaft TKO 500/600, old style top loader, and the BW-T10.

The RM-6060. Height is 6.925". It was built forr the long shaft TKO 500/600, TR-3550, and the Mustang T-5 (Non-SFI certified).

The RM-6065 is the same as the RM-6060 but it carries an SFI 6.1 certification.

QuickTime does not believe in the use of spacers of adapters because of issues with stacking tolerances. It is easy for us to add models and QuickTime feels that this is the best option.

We carry the RM-6060 and the RM-6065 because they are both high volume items and the RM-6060 is a good option for the street guy who is not wanting to take his car to the track and run under 11.00.

The advantages of the RM-6060 are as follows: Will pass an SFI test so it is safe (we cannot use the sticker because of the lack of the 8 3/8" grade 8 bolts in the lower half of the housing), 2 lbs less weight, $40 less cost, more ground clearance (no bottom lip). We did not want to penalize the guy who does not need the SFI certification, but yet have a housing available for the guy who does need the certification. The RM-6065 is the best housing available @ only 22 lbs if you must have the SFI version.

We are working on starter covers that will be offered as an option next month. These will be a bolt on item so they can be added to any housing that is already in service. The starter opening currently is cut pretty close to the outline of starter nose so when the starter is in place the hole is nearly gone. It works out to be a great place to adjust or look at the clutch assembly if necessary by removing the starter and also provides some air flow to the flywheel clutch assembly. Most people have had no issues with running the housing "as is".

QuickTime has added nearly 40 models of bellhousings in the last year alone. We have added models that people have asked us to, in order to solve there specific problems. We continue to develop new models. One benifit of our unique design is that if we need to make changes to an existing design it can be easily done. We are constantly making changes to improve our products and help out as many people as we can. Thanks for your interest in QuickTime products.


Thank you,
Ross McCombs
President
QuickTime Inc.
641.673.4468

PS You will loose approx 3/4"ground clearance with the SFI version of RM-6063. Please specify SFI when ordering as we will have both SFI and non SFI versions available for a little while.