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06-19-2008, 01:00 PM
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Cobra Make, Engine: SPF
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Double clear coat option new SPF roller
Can anyone tell me what the benefit would be, for the double clear coat option on a new SPF? It is an additional $425.
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06-19-2008, 01:04 PM
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Twice as shiny. More prone to cracking
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06-19-2008, 01:08 PM
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Twice as shiny. More prone to cracking
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06-19-2008, 01:13 PM
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06-19-2008, 01:27 PM
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I have heard over and over again that if you put on too much clearcoat, it tends to shrink and crack over time as the solvents are released. I will do a Google search to see if I can confirm.
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06-19-2008, 01:48 PM
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Stone chips will damage 2 layers of clearcoat just as easy as 1 layer of clear coat. With the body flex on all fiberglass bodies, I would think that thicker paint would be a bad thing. FYI - SPF paint is excellent from the factory...not perfect, by very very good...
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06-19-2008, 01:57 PM
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Just my $.02 here but I can't imagine that Superformance would purposely offer an option that would open them up to an increase in warranty liability due to paint failure. After all, we aren't talking about show quality finish that is perhaps 12-15 coats thick but rather an additional 2 coats of clear that might add a little more depth to the finish. I would guess that the only way you could tell the difference between the single clear and the double clear coat is to place the two cars next to each other. Personally, I could think of several other better ways to spend the $425. The stock Superformance finishes I have seen all looked great to me.
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06-19-2008, 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by CobraEd
I have heard over and over again that if you put on too much clearcoat, it tends to shrink and crack over time as the solvents are released. I will do a Google search to see if I can confirm.
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No need to do a search, what you stated is correct in as far as the base solvents need time to flash before a secondary clear coat is put on. Since most new cars have one coat of clear already, adding a second really does not do much of anything except raise the price of materials to paint the car. The days of multiple clear coats is gone with the advent of low VOC (violent organic chemicals) paints as used for the last 2-3 years.......
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06-19-2008, 09:53 PM
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The days of multiple clear coats is gone with the advent of low VOC (violent organic chemicals) paints as used for the last 2-3 years.......
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VOC = volatile organic compounds
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06-19-2008, 05:54 PM
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Clear coats are designed to be 2.5 mills thick with about .5 mill variance after sanding and buffing- more is not better and can lead to lots of problems.. You would never be able to tell the difference even side by side. Save your money. Maybe they sand the first two coats smooth and put two more on to make the stripes smooth?
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06-19-2008, 07:18 PM
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Maybe they sand the first two coats smooth and put two more on to make the stripes smooth?
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Nope. They always spray the stripes first. Then they spray the basic car color. This way there is no edge at the stripes.
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06-19-2008, 07:33 PM
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Welll....if you run your hand on the paint and stripe below the oil cooler you might notice the stripe standing proud of the other paint layers....quality control must have missed that on my car....and I also have a custom color on mine...stripes are perfect everywhere else...
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06-20-2008, 06:32 AM
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I agree with the others, as the standard SPF paint is hard to beat. You'd be better off spending the extra cash on another option that is more functional.
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06-20-2008, 07:25 AM
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Blas - I can feel the stripe if i run my hand over it. I would rate the paint on my car 8.5. Of course with black you see every imperfection, and #2632 has a couple. I am sure the average person couldnt see them, but having rubbed the car out and detailed it a few times, i do know where they are. I did have a spot on the lower back end that was missed in the final rub out from the factory, but i have since taken care of that.
I have noticed the paint is still extremely soft...makes it great for removing swirls but the swirls appear that much easier also. I have been told it can take a year or two for it to completely harden. Any other opinions on this?
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06-20-2008, 03:01 PM
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Do not waste your money, instead use it toward 3m protection for the front.
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06-21-2008, 08:58 PM
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Do not waste your money, instead use it toward 3m protection for the front.
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Good advice, especially on a dark colorered car!
After I get mine touched up from my "racing patina", I'm going to load up my front end with that stuff.
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06-21-2008, 09:13 PM
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That 3M stuff looks like crap. I have seen several installs on high end cars and it not that great looking and it turns yellow after a while.
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06-21-2008, 09:35 PM
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Blas - just turned 1000 miles...only on the road since april...so i am enjoying it tremendously.
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06-21-2008, 10:06 PM
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WOW...Your weather must be better thatn ours out here...I have about 350 so far this season....
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06-20-2008, 03:11 PM
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There really would be no way to tell if the extra coats had been applied. Sounds like a great way for a dealer to pocket extra money for no effort.
Also, "double coats" is an old painter's term for when you are spraying on color/clear and you overlap each coat 50% with the prior pass. So you are essentially spraying the same part of the car twice, once with the first pass and then again when you bring the gun across the other way. I personally have always viewed this as one coat, but there are still people out there that call this technique a double coat. Either way, you can only layer on so much material before you run into problems down the road. Plus spraying on extra clear only makes sense if you're going to sand off more of it (i.e. get the stripes even with the color).
-Dean #747 (love my factory finish)
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