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Old 12-12-2008, 01:55 PM
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If you look just to the front of the engine, (black cylinder in between the radiator and the engine, 4 braided lines) you will see the oil thermostat used on my SPF, Stephen Bramlitt put it in for me, in the Reno area I had a hard time getting the oil even to operating temperature in the car. If you need some help on this here is his contact information:
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Old 12-22-2008, 05:09 PM
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I didn't think you need one for a small block!!

Sorry, couldn't resist. Mines not hooked up. I have never had an oil heating problem.

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Old 12-22-2008, 08:11 PM
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My small block 347", 10.7 comp, 10+ quart Aviad oil pan has the oil cooler blocked off ALL YEAR.

The only time I have removed the (very elegant if I do say so) piece of cardboard and tape blocking the oil cooler was in a summer track event at ButtonWillow, a SCCA track to the west of Bakersfield...temp was in the 90's+.

Unless I am stuck in traffic, LA of course, I rarely see more than 160...almost feel guilty getting on the throttle wondering if enough oil if flowing.

I have been thinking about a oil thermostat.

OK, would a HEAT EXCHANGER do a better job of getting the oil temp UP quickly in warm up and keeping there when the car is at freeway speed but under hardly any load?

A friend of mine and I installed a heat exchange on his BackDraft 351/427 which had heating problems at the track to begin with, even after adding a oil cooler.

I think it is accurate to say the heat exchanger moderated temp swings, and as his water temp had always been running OK and it seemed the water cooling system had cooling capacity to spare no problem at the higher temps.

Of course a heat exchanger is harder to connect, water and oil lines..I know first hand. But this may really be a better solution, short of removing the oil cooler...(that would be too easy).

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What is a good operating temp range for an FE, or a Windsor?

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Water boils at 212. Ideally you want to achieve that temp so that moisture and any other impurities "boil off/out." That being said, oil should typically run 20-30 degrees warmer than the water (when CRUISING). So if your CRUISING water temps are running at 190, your oil should be in the 215-220 range. Race conditions are an entirely different matter.

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Water boils at 212. Ideally you want to achieve that temp so that moisture and any other impurities "boil off/out." That being said, oil should typically run 20-30 degrees warmer than the water (when CRUISING). So if your CRUISING water temps are running at 190, your oil should be in the 215-220 range. Race conditions are an entirely different matter.

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So about 105 c. What temp would be the danger zone?
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Your bearings wipe out at 375F, which results in 300F in the sump.

195F in the sump will get you the longest lifetime of your engine.

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Ideally that's the best place for a temp pick-up. Mine is at the external oil filter, so logically it would read a few degrees cooler (my temps are determined before the oil gets routed to either the thermostat or the cooler).

For me personally, any oil temp approaching 240-250F while cruising or "moderate fun" ( ) is when the concern buttons get pushed. Have never seen it there (knock on wood).
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I run a Canton. Same problem as others have stated. When it is in the 40 to50s range still takes a while to warm up. I am considering a plexi cover for those cool mornings. In city traffic Canton opens at 100C and stays within a few degrees all the time.
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Ideally that's the best place for a temp pick-up. Mine is at the external oil filter, so logically it would read a few degrees cooler (my temps are determined before the oil gets routed to either the thermostat or the cooler).

For me personally, any oil temp approaching 240-250F while cruising or "moderate fun" ( ) is when the concern buttons get pushed. Have never seen it there (knock on wood).
In the pan sump is best. My new FE does not have room in the front of the pan for the temp sensor, so it is (for the time being) going on the filter stand as the sway bar is in the way.

The filter stand is not a good place to put the sensor. It has been proven that the quick bend at the filter stand artificially increases the oil temp seen at the gage. At least on the standard Superformance stand.

One of my projects once I get the car is to re-locate the sensor to the oil sump in the pan.

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