Tko600 Warning!!!!

[lineslinger]

Are you saying that Tremec is sidestepping their warranty obligation because Keisler opened up the box to make their modifications?
Does Tremec recognize Keisler as an authorised distributor of their product?
Did Keisler know you were going to race the car before they did their mods?
If they did the work try to find out why they won't stand behind it. Ask Tremec why they won't stand behind the components in ther transmissions and tell both of them their answers will be made known to their customer base.
You got stuck on a technicality, too bad neither one of them will step and take care of a customer, not surprising however...more like typical.
Start harassing the top dogs and don't let up. Let us know what happens.

[Fordfan69]

Hi guys,

Just wanted to give you an update. Over a week has gone by and I'm still haven't heard anything from Tremec. I think I will wait until the end of the week and then call them.

Also, I took 3rd gear over to a tool and die manufacturing co. and had them Rockwell test the gear for hardness. It was 60-60.5 on the R. scale which he said was very very hard. He was surprised being that a metal file is just about a 65. It is a Chromemoly gearset though, so it might be right. I would love to know if there is a test to see if it is too brittle though. Anybody out there know? I might look into bringing it to a Metalurgist to see if he can tell me anything about the failure.

finally, when I rebuild this unit, I am definitely going to put gear mesh paint on all of the gears and test the mesh pattern, just like they do on the rear ends. There might be nothing wrong with the gear and it might have been from improper mesh/backlash. That will tell alot. I looked closely at second gear and I don't like the mesh pattern at all. That's what gave me the idea of checking them all.

Thanks very much for the comments and feedback. I'll keep you posted as soon as I hear back from Tremec.

[ROUSHAC]

Originally Posted by Fordfan69

Hi guys,

Just wanted to give you an update. Over a week has gone by and I'm still haven't heard anything from Tremec. I think I will wait until the end of the week and then call them.

Also, I took 3rd gear over to a tool and die manufacturing co. and had them Rockwell test the gear for hardness themselves. It was 60-60.5 on the R. scale which he said was very very hard. He was surprised being that a metal file is just about a 65. It is a Chromemoly gearset though, so it might be right. I would love to know if there is a test to see if it is too brittle though. Anybody out there know? I might look into bringing it to a Metalurgist to see if he can tell me anything about the failure.

finally, when I rebuild this unit, I am definitely going to put gear mesh paint on all of the gears and test the mesh pattern, just like they do on the rear ends. There might be nothing wrong with the gear and it might have been from improper mesh/backlash. That will tell alot. I looked closely at second gear and I don't like the mesh pattern at all. That's what gave me the idea of checking them all.

Thanks very much for the comments and feedback. I'll keep you posted as soon as I hear back from Tremec.

Fordfan69,

From what I've read here, Tremec and Kesler made their determination based on a visual inspection.

It sure sounds like maybe a good idea to send that gear to Tremec and let them test it for hardness. To me that Rockwell number means a very brittle gear prone to breaking teeth off.

Possibly, they got a bad batch from heat treating. The worse they can say is nope that is the right hardness for our gear, you messed up. The best is that they may say whoops, our fault and make things right.

Certainly worth a try to show them some physical proof rather than just debating the question wth them.

In any case, if that was the cause of the breakage, it sure seems to be Tremec's problem not Keisler's.

You are right, that pic from the other site sure does look like yours.

Theirs:


Yours:


Good luck!

Cheers!
Dave

[Eljaro]

To me this looks like material failure. Such a transmission like the 600TKO with the advertised power handling should take a misshift with no problem.
We misshift every once in a while without breaking our transmissions.
I have a TKO600 myself and have raced it hard and it runs perfectly.

With every happy customer you gain 2-3 new customer, with every unhappy customer you loose 10. Bad new travel further than good news.
What are these guys at Kaisler arguing about?
I would try to get this issue settled in MINUTES and get the problem off this Forum ASAP.
Dont repair the broken TKO but send this guy a new transmission and fight the cost out with TREMEC. They will listen to you!
Keep the damage to you company to a minimum!

[Fordfan69]

Roushac:

Thank you for the input. that's a good idea.

Just to point out, both of those pictures you've posted are both mine.
The other transmission is in the link listed in my previous post. They do look almost identical in everyway.

Thanks

[xlr8or]

Originally Posted by Eljaro

I would try to get this issue settled in MINUTES and get the problem off this Forum ASAP.
Dont repair the broken TKO but send this guy a new transmission and fight the cost out with TREMEC. They will listen to you!
Keep the damage to you company to a minimum!

That's why he posted it here and other forums to try to bully them into a decision more in his favor after lying to them about the circumstances.

If he had hit the wall at the track and told state farm it happened on the street would he be getting any support here? NOPE! Would his insurance pay to repair the car knowing it was on the track?? HE!! NO. You take the car to the track and it's all on you.
I've put over 4400 miles on my TKO600 with an engine that makes over 600ft. lbs and had no problem what so ever. Last month when I made over a dozen runs down the drag strip in one night I understood that if I broke it I bought it.

Quit your whining and accept the offer that was extended and move on.