Tko600 Warning!!!!

[keislerNick]

Originally Posted by jeffko

You guys can analyze this to death and it does make for some interesting reading, but what happened was a mechanical failure that should not have failed. This transmission was broken while being used exactly what it was built for. Tremec even added the torque rating to the name and promotes their product as having the ability to take brute force and rightfully so. I have over 450 rwt on a TKO and I drive it pretty hard most all the time whether on the track, strip, street because that’s what I built it for. Likewise, most guys in our club have a Tremec without any problems. We have 2 or 3 guys (me being one of them) that have broken axles and half shafts without fazing the Tremecs. This poor guy got a trans with a manufacturing flaw and it failed. As good as a Tremec is do they really think that every trans they make is perfect? Insult to injury this guy got hosed on the price and still these pussies where he bought it will not do the right thing.

My solution….Boycott Keisler and we all demand Tremec repair their failures….even if they think it was some kind of end user abuse, which I strongly believe it was not. Remember, they advertise and we buy their products because they are tough and we have the right to demand service for what we paid for. The next time this happens it could be one of us.

http://www.ttcautomotive.com/English...tactusform.asp

Being hosed on the price, I am not aware of another company that supplies turn key transmission kit for a mopar. Its a great kit and we worked with Greg to fix his problem. Keisler supplied the counter shaft and the other parts for the transmission. Also a cobra kit car doesnt have any weight behind it, and most of them dont have good traction that does make a huge difference.

[turnpike boy]

Originally Posted by keislerNick

Being hosed on the price, I am not aware of another company that supplies turn key transmission kit for a mopar. Its a great kit and we worked with Greg to fix his problem. Keisler supplied the counter shaft and the other parts for the transmission. Also a cobra kit car doesnt have any weight behind it, and most of them dont have good traction that does make a huge difference.

Implying, that if it did, we might find ourselves in the same boat as FordFan?

Do Tremec -AND their dealers -really believe they have the only product on the market?

[eschaider]

I just checked my new TKO 4617. The countershaft alignment problem that Greg (Fordfan) has also exists in my new, never used, still in the box untill I opened it TKO.

My transmission appears to have the countershaft shimmed backward towards the rear of the case. The effect of the apparent shimming was to share the total misalignment between second and third gear rather than having third gear absorbing the total misalignment. Come to think of it, the rearward placement of the countershaft will affect every mainshaft gear that meshes with it!

When I bought the transmission the reseller strongly encouraged me to have them 'blueprint' the box before shipping. The cost was just under a hundred bucks. For cheap money I thought what the heck, why not, its just good insurance in case the factory missed something that could come back to haunt me later.

I am now of the opinion the reseller already knew of the problem and in 'blueprinting' was attempting to stack the longevity deck as best as possible by spreading the load reduction across multiple gears, given the Tremec design flaw.

This problem appears to be a Tremec design error. More significantly it defies rational thinking that the folks at minimally Tremec and probably Keisler were unaware of the design error. It is even more troubling that Keisler would misrepresent the cause of failure as a partially engaged third gear resulting from a missed shift.

What each of us, with a TKO 600 TCET4617 appears to have is a transmission with a faulty countershaft design that does not fully engage the tooth face of one or more mainshaft gears. Greg (Fordfan) was aggressive enough in his cry for help and the potential of a broad based foul play that at least one of the websites he posted on (Club Cobra) unraveled the ball of fishing twine.

Keisler is a major disappointment, along with Tremec. It could well be that Tremec advised their dealer network that Tremec would not honor warranties for failed third gear gearsets. The dealers, in this case Keisler, in turn then assigned the cause of failure to the owner with misrepresentations and disingenuous statements because they wouldn't/couldn't carry the expense of warranting Tremec's design error.

Tremec has the real responsibility to both stand good for the repairs and most importantly to produce a countershaft replacement that engages all mainshaft gears correctly. Resellers like Keisler need to be very carefully scrutinized to determine if they deserve our business. Keisler's behavior and deliberate attempts to obfuscate the truth really give reason for pause and reflection.

Ultimately each of us will have to make his own decision. When you do, think about the events that have transpired here, put yourself in Greg's (Fordfan's) place and ask yourself if this is fair treatment and how would you feel if the tables were turned. Remember that if you have a TKO 600 (and probably 500 also) this failure could be just down the road waiting for you!

Ed

[jeffko]

Kudos Ed. Shame on us if we don't make our concerns felt by Tremec. I think they produce some very fine products, but they !$#^%~^ here and need to address the problem.

[RICK LAKE]

Ed if you opened your trans and see the same problem, SEND THE TRANS BACK for a refund. I am not on Keilsers side, like you said they didn't make the trans, they only sell it. Nick I don't care about Mopars as far as on Club Cobra, there maybe 10 hemis or 440's in cobras compared to how many thousands of ford motors, big and small blocks. For anybody that has bought a tremec trans, there is a strong need to have it blueprinted or redone. I don't think $100.00 is going to do anything. If David Kees reads this, ask him how much to blueprint a trans on top of a rebuild? A solid guess would be $300.00-$700.00 plus parts. Guys you need to go after Tremec HARD. I am sure there are other clubs with the same problems. Kielser made good on Fordfan 69. If you hold Kielser at fault for these trans breaking, they will be out of business real fast. There are a couple laws on here, guys who do you go after???I vote for Tremec, Iam sure they know of this problem. Question is what are they doing about it. Rick Lake