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Old 03-27-2008, 08:58 AM
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I had not considered the timing advance issue with the low engine rpm that will occur with a .6 ratio, and that brings up an interesting point. The primary reason for the ultra low rpm was originally to increase mpg and factory motors were designed to work well at that low rpm. My jeep, automatic trans, lockup torque converter, cruises along nicely at 1800-2000 rpm, heck it loves ultra low rpm. But it's fuel injected, computer controlled and has a low rpm cam profile. You can also bet the timing advance curve has been optomized for this ultra low cruise rpm.

Consider the older 302 powered Mustang GT's. The stock motors (about 225 horse) were low rpm engines! They would hardly make power above 5000 rpm (if that high). They typically came with a .6 overdrive 5 speed as well.

Timing advance curve plays a HUGE roll in mpg.

We typically build for decent horse power and that requires a cam profile that will work in the high 5000 or low 6000 rpm range. Compare that to my Jeep which runs out of power in the high 4000 rpm range!

Along with the advance curve question at low cruise rpm you also have to consider fuel/air ratio, I bet the engine is running way rich under these conditions and combustion is not going to be effecient for many of our motors. Perhaps a vacuum advance unit would be of help in this scenario (low rpm cruise). Perhaps a lower compression ratio and a leaner fuel curve would also help. Then get a really 'torque monster' ultra low rpm cam profile, like a truck, Jeep or motorhome would use. Something that makes max power at 4500 rpm.

Wait,,, are we building a truck or a Cobra? I lost track somewhere along the line.

And DON'T pay attention to Ernie, I tend to ramble and could be out to lunch on any given post.

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Perhaps a vacuum advance unit would be of help in this scenario (low rpm cruise).

A vacuum advance unit (connected to a CONSTANT vacuum supply) is mandatory for optimum street performance. It will not only cause your engine to run cooler, you'll get better throttle response and MPG. There are plenty of articles written on the subject. Those that disagree, don't understand basic engine tuning and vacuum advance operation.

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Default I have the .64 TKO w/ a 486 CI FE

Hydraulic roller 486FE, makes close to 600 horsepower, 600 lb-ft of torque. The motor cruises very nicely on the interstate at 2000 rpm. Its perfect for my needs as I like to take 2 and 3 hour road trips w/ the cobra.

My rear ratio is 3.46 and the tires are 15". You can see my cam card/profile and dyno results in my profile

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Hydraulic roller 486FE, makes close to 600 horsepawer, 600 lb-ft of torque. The motor cruises very nicely on the interstate at 2000 rpm. Its perfect for my needs as I like to take 2 and 3 hour road trips w/ the cobra.

My rear ratio is 3.46 and the tires are 15". You can see my cam card/profile and dyno results in my profile

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If you reach cruise RPM BEFORE your advance is all the way in-it is far from perfect.
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A vacuum advance unit (connected to a CONSTANT vacuum supply) is mandatory for optimum street performance. It will not only cause your engine to run cooler, you'll get better throttle response and MPG. There are plenty of articles written on the subject. Those that disagree, don't understand basic engine tuning and vacuum advance operation.

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I kind of agree with Jim. Unless you are running a vacuum advance on your distributor, no matter your mechaniucal advance setting, you are not optimal for cruising. The engine can tolerate, and benefit from more advance at low speed, low throttle cruising that can be obtained with a vacuum advance, and still preserve optimal (lower) mechanical advance settings for full throttle performance.
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Why don;t you call SA and ask him your gear question. I would think he knows his engine, and what would be the best gear set-up.

I did, he said the 3.31 would be good and pull real well but the 3.42 would be better.
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