Continuation Cobras & SAAC

[Joe's Garage]

All that needed to be said ...

Originally Posted by Tutosnake

... I think owners of "Continuation" cars should limit their claims to what the brand they bought actually is. In my case, I bought a Shelby Cobra, CSX6108. Not a real Cobra, but a Shelby replica ...

I always tell people it is not an original Cobra, but a replica built by Shelby ...

If everyone followed those guidelines this thread wouldn't exist.

[Tutosnake]

Originally Posted by Joe's Garage

All that needed to be said ...



If everyone followed those guidelines this thread wouldn't exist.

Good morning!
That being said, if in its next Registry SAAC indeed decides to use language that further alienates or separates the club from the Continuation cars, then I will withhold my membership and not buy the book. It is (or should be) a Shelby family, and I consider myself a long distance relative, and as such would be very sad if my kin would prefer to wash that relationship away with words and technicalities... No need to be abrasive.

I'm taking CSX6108 out for lunch. It is beautiful here down South

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by Tutosnake

Good morning!
That being said, if in its next Registry SAAC indeed decides to use language that further alienates or separates the club from the Continuation cars, then I will withhold my membership and not buy the book. It is (or should be) a Shelby family, and I consider myself a long distance relative, and as such would be very sad if my kin would prefer to wash that relationship away with words and technicalities... No need to be abrasive.

Is alienation being dropped from the Registry? Because SAAC welcomes all. Ownership is not required. I've been a member of SAAC since I was a kid. I've never owned anything Shelby. I did own a Sunbeam Tiger, but that Shelby connection is a bit distant too. But if my Kirkham (or your Shelby replica) is removed from the Registry, I will still continue to be a member. Ownership is not required. Enthusiasm is.

[REAL 1]

Tuto and everyone else is free to see and describe their car as they wish. That's their business as long as your not passing it off as something its not which would be dishonest.

Tuto feels his car is not a "real" Cobra but he paid all that money for a "plaque" and mystic and distinction???? . Certainly twisted reasoning to me. Ok, that's fine with me, he can feel and see his car that way. His belief and position is at odds with the Registry, the facts and law. He is applying the term "replica" in it's commonly misused manner to his Shelby but hey... good for him if it makes him happy. Thankfully Rodknock found a continuation owner that see his car as a "fake" Shelby Cobra made by Shelby with all the mystic and distinction that separates it from the rest. But Hallelujah anyway!

Twisted logic of any car owner doesn't change things one bit.

The current production Cobras are "true" replicas as defined by Websters. Never said they weren't. Agreed. However, no other can be a true "replica" of a Shelby Cobra. However, all the others can be "replicas" as that term is used and commonly understood, i.e. fake Cobra.

I know a lot of you just got lost again.

Registry explains it all. But I guess the Registry is kaput anyway so I'm just gonna throw mine out.

[A-Snake]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

The current production Cobras are "true" replicas as defined by Websters. Never said they weren't. Agreed. However, no other can be a true "replica" of a Shelby Cobra. However, all the others can be "replicas" as that term is used and commonly understood, i.e. fake Cobra.

Now that is as clear as Missouri Mud.

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by A-Snake

Now that is as clear as Missouri Mud.

Read the Registry. Clear as a bell.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Read the Registry. Clear as a bell.

And you better read it quickly, or soon, because the next Registry is about to shrink in a big way.

Facts, Fraud, Ned The Curator, Posting 8+ year old SAAC Website Statement That Has Been Completely Revised But Not Disclosing It, Logic, "Certain Liberties Were Taken With The Registry" and "Let's Call A Spade A Spade."

I'll check back in later.

[Dimis]

Not sure why you boys dug this up.
There was a sand pit built to kick this sh!t around in.

Originally Posted by REAL 1

That's their business as long as your not passing it off as something its not which would be dishonest.

Hello Kettle, please meet Pot.

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Tuto feels his car is not a "real" Cobra but he paid all that money for a "plaque" and mystic and distinction???? .

Maybe he just wanted to replicate the driving experience as best as possible.
he even preferred the old school chassis and suspension?!?
Could possibly even afford an original too... But didn't want to ruin its history by binning it... It's not THAT hard to fathom.
He need not justify to you or I. It's his perogative. Same as why you put old iron in yours, there may be superior items available, but they didn't suit his purpose.

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Twisted logic of any car owner doesn't change things one bit.

100% Agreed!

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by Dimis

Not sure why you boys dug this up.
There was a sand pit built to kick this sh!t around in.


Hello Kettle, please meet Pot.

.....

Sorry Bub. Not at all. I do not represent my car as an original. That would be dishonest. As dishonest as having a non Shelby and having "66COBRA" for plates.

However, based on the facts, law and Registry (until its "kaput" according to Colonel Klink here) I and other Continuation Cobra owners are 100% accurate and fair in referring to our cars as real current production Shelby Cobras or real Cobras as long as we make clear they are not original series cars. What Joe Blow thinks from that point on I couldn't care less.

You can continue to ride that Merry Go round based on your narrative and "interpretation. Not me. But candidly your interpretation or the others in the sour grapes gang matters not a whit to me.

Night night.

[Joe's Garage]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

... I and other Continuation Cobra owners are 100% accurate and fair in referring to our cars as real current production Shelby Cobras or real Cobras as long as we make clear they are not original series cars. What Joe Blow thinks from that point on I couldn't care less ...

If you happen to hit a Joe Blow that's super keen on getting one, he will find out your description was a long winded way of saying "replica" when he looks for a dealership to drive one off the lot.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

However, based on the facts, law and Registry (until its "kaput" according to Colonel Klink here) I and other Continuation Cobra owners are 100% accurate and fair in referring to our cars as real current production Shelby Cobras or real Cobras as long as we make clear they are not original series cars. What Joe Blow thinks from that point on I couldn't care less.

Reading your posts is like Pulp Fiction or something. A lot of TV/media references.

I'm going to take a big leap here and say that Col. Klink playing a Nazi in Hogan's Heros probably didn't use the word "kaput" which is Yiddish, a Jewish dialect. But that show was a bit before my time, can't be for sure.

It's a replica and you've stipulated to that fact. It's not a real Cobra. A real Cobra is 1 of the 998. Let's move along. In your case, you can click your heels three times and make a wish.

[RodKnock]

Here ya go Evan, did you forget that quickly? Let me help you remember.

Originally Posted by Nedsel

Regrettably, it is the Shelby organization that committed the fraud, not the buyers of their product. One has to wonder about marketing tactics that beg the law to look the other way so cars could be sold as something they clearly were not. And this is not a case of not being able to say nice things about my old friend Carroll - it's simply stating the facts.

Originally Posted by Nedsel

Evan, ...That your car is a copy is not being debated, but a copy of what? The recreation that preceded it.

Originally Posted by Nedsel

The facts remain as follows: The cars that created the Cobra mystique - the 998 Cobras referred to as genuine, original, and legitimate - were built in the 1960's by the mutual partnership of AC Cars and Shelby American. Everything that followed was a copy in one form or another. Go down the list and name your brand, from Arntz to Butler to Contemporary, etc - they are all facsimiles of the original, and were marketed as such. Some are pretty good copies while some are less so. Regardless, if your Cobra-like automobile wasn't built in the 60's, it is not one of the 998 original cars, hence it must be something else. Such as a replica of one of the original Cobras. It simply can not be anything else, no matter how many different ways you attempt to spin it.

Originally Posted by Nedsel

That's pretty much what everyone has acknowledged. The 60's Cobras are the original, authentic Cobras that define the term "real" in most peoples' minds when they ask the question, "Is that a real Cobra?" They are not asking how exact a copy of the 60's cars your car might be; they are asking, "Was it made in the 60's? Hence, is it a real Cobra?"

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Tuto and everyone else is free to see and describe their car as they wish. That's their business as long as your not passing it off as something its not which would be dishonest.

Tuto feels his car is not a "real" Cobra but he paid all that money for a "plaque" and mystic and distinction???? . Certainly twisted reasoning to me. Ok, that's fine with me, he can feel and see his car that way. His belief and position is at odds with the Registry, the facts and law. He is applying the term "replica" in it's commonly misused manner to his Shelby but hey... good for him if it makes him happy. Thankfully Rodknock found a continuation owner that see his car as a "fake" Shelby Cobra made by Shelby with all the mystic and distinction that separates it from the rest. But Hallelujah anyway!

Twisted logic of any car owner doesn't change things one bit.

The current production Cobras are "true" replicas as defined by Websters. Never said they weren't. Agreed. However, no other can be a true "replica" of a Shelby Cobra. However, all the others can be "replicas" as that term is used and commonly understood, i.e. fake Cobra.

I know a lot of you just got lost again.

Registry explains it all. But I guess the Registry is kaput anyway so I'm just gonna throw mine out.

The 8+ year old SAAC website statement explains it all...OOPS, that went "X-Files" (i.e. disappeared without a trace).

If I were a betting person, I'd bet that the next Registry will change that whole CSX replica minutia.

Evan, just because someone has a different viewpoint from you doesn't mean you have to insult them by saying their logic is twisted. You know, it could be yours and not their logic.