Pro vs Con Re: CSX and Superformance/ERA

[Slither]

Originally Posted by 1ntCobra

SAI buys ONLY the aluminum body and frames from Kirkham (and the frame is apparently slightly different than the standard Kirkham frame in that the motor mounts are are not in the standard position). SAI does NOT buy complete rollers from Kirkham.

When you are buying an aluminum body CSX continuation car from SAI, you are buying a car with a lot of the work done in Vegas.

1ntCobra, you are wrong about SAI buying only the aluminum body and frame from Kirkham. Tom Kirkham told me the CSX4266 was their very first powder coated chassis. It was delivered to SAI as a roller!
RodKnock, to answer your question about the billet suspension is NO. When I ordered the car in late 2001, Kirkham had not developed and released their billet suspension. For me, I wanted the closest think to a real Shelby Cobra so I opted for the aluminum bodied car. So a year after owning the car, I added stack fuel injection and blew my own theory. I can say that I own a real Shelby Cobra, not a car that looks like one. That is just the way it is. Replica or not, these cars are owned by passionate owners. There is nothing wrong with owning a replica, a kit car or what ever you want to call it. It is just a matter of personal preference. Heck, what fun would it be if they all looked alike?

[1ntCobra]

Go to page 848 of the current SAAC registry (4th edition), look at the picture in the bottom left hand corner and read its caption. Also see the picture and caption on the top left hand corner of page 849.

Then when you have some more time, check out this thread: Aluminum Body

When you get to this point in the thread, Aluminum Body, you will see pictures taken by me and someone else in Vegas that show both Kirkham sourced bodies and frames as well as bodies and frames sourced from England, none of which are rollers.

This all seems to back up my point.

Perhaps CSX4266 was special and delivered to SAI as a roller from Kirkham. If that is the case, you should get your registry entry updated to reflect its special history.

Originally Posted by Slither

1ntCobra, you are wrong about SAI buying only the aluminum body and frame from Kirkham. Tom Kirkham told me the CSX4266 was their very first powder coated chassis. It was delivered to SAI as a roller!
RodKnock, to answer your question about the billet suspension is NO. When I ordered the car in late 2001, Kirkham had not developed and released their billet suspension. For me, I wanted the closest think to a real Shelby Cobra so I opted for the aluminum bodied car. So a year after owning the car, I added stack fuel injection and blew my own theory. I can say that I own a real Shelby Cobra, not a car that looks like one. That is just the way it is. Replica or not, these cars are owned by passionate owners. There is nothing wrong with owning a replica, a kit car or what ever you want to call it. It is just a matter of personal preference. Heck, what fun would it be if they all looked alike?

[CSX4815]

Originally Posted by 1ntCobra

Go to page 848 of the current SAAC registry (4th edition), look at the picture in the bottom left hand corner and read its caption. Also see the picture and caption on the top left hand corner of page 849.

Then when you have some more time, check out this thread: Aluminum Body

When you get to this point in the thread, Aluminum Body, you will see pictures taken by me and someone else in Vegas that show both Kirkham sourced bodies and frames as well as bodies and frames sourced from England, none of which are rollers.

This all seems to back up my point.

Perhaps CSX4266 was special and delivered to SAI as a roller from Kirkham. If that is the case, you should get your registry entry updated to reflect its special history.

Who cares what the registry says... It's Bills car! You guys have way too much time on your hands...

Oy Vey is right!

[1ntCobra]

Originally Posted by CSX4815

Who cares what the registry says... It's Bills car! You guys have way too much time on your hands...

Oy Vey is right!

So Slither says his car was delivered as a roller from Kirkham to Shelby and he knows that from a conversation with Tom Kirkham. Well that may very well be true, but it is NOT what commonly happens. And if he is implying that all cars shipped from Kirkham to SAI are rollers, well that is just wrong and he is spreading incorrect information. Apparently others have believed that very same misinformation and posted it here as well.

When you are making a choice about purchasing a car as expensive as an aluminum bodied CSX continutation car, you might want to have accurate information to base your choice upon. Maybe you don't care about such a details. Others may care very much. Some people might be proud to say that both the fine craftsmen in Poland and the fine craftsmen at SAI in Vegas worked to produce their stunning aluminum bodied CSX car.

[Slither]

1ntCobra, it seems to me that the aluminum bodied cars from Kirkham all come on a chassis, although I know you can purchase an aluminum body with door, hood and trunk lid separately from Kirkham. All I'm say'in is that SAI, Kirkham and my dealer all told me it was the first powder coated chassis from Kirkham and it was delivered as a roller. Perhaps the term "roller" varies from business to business. Maybe I do have a special car. Good point! It is what it is! What is your beef anyway?

P.S. I took your advice and checked the registry. All the cars do seem to be on a chassis, don't they? I believe the photos you may have taken were possibly 1000 series cars which were produced after my car was built.

[1ntCobra]

Originally Posted by Slither

1ntCobra, it seems to me that the aluminum bodied cars from Kirkham all come on a chassis, although I know you can purchase an aluminum body with door, hood and trunk lid separately from Kirkham. All I'm say'in is that SAI, Kirkham and my dealer all told me it was the first powder coated chassis from Kirkham and it was delivered as a roller. Perhaps the term "roller" varies from business to business. Maybe I do have a special car. Good point! It is what it is! What is your beef anyway?

P.S. I took your advice and checked the registry. All the cars do seem to be on a chassis, don't they? I believe the photos you may have taken were possibly 1000 series cars which were produced after my car was built.

Perhaps my beef is that an aluminum CSX car is simply not just a Kirkham that SAI stamped a CSX serial number on. It is pretty different animal and some might prefer it over the Kirkham for reasons other than just the Shelby serial number. The fact that it had major assembly work done on it at the Shelby facility might mean that it has more Shelby DNA to it to some people.

If you are not bored by the details of the thread I mentioned, it is easy to tell the Kirkham sourced bodies from the CSX1000 series bodies in the pictures (one clue is the shape of the oil cooler scoop). And so from the pictures you can see that there are Kirkham sourced body and frames that are not rollers.

By the term "roller", I usually think of the end product that you would typically buy from either Shelby or Kirkham. Something with a suspension, wheels, tires, headlights, an interior, gauges, wiring, a windshield, etc. Something that you need to drop an engine and transmission into. Of course Shelby and Kirkham have a slightly different definition of "roller" as one is painted.