AC Continuation or Kirkham

[KevinW]

One of the reasons the Legate car is priced so high is :

(a) Trevor once owned it, although Ive never understood why so few miles on it, if these are genuine, given Trevor is/was a genuine enthusiast;

(b) It has FIA papers, so is qualified to be used in historic racing. I beleive this means demonstrating some right to be considered as historic. so some dubious claim that the chassis was actually welded up before Jan 1970 is needed I think, and ofcourse, a suitable year of registration

http://www.hscc.org.uk/resources/HRS...egs%202011.pdf
http://www.goodmanderrick.co.uk/__da...l_passport.pdf

[so from last link.... come on guys, providing its a FBB and a toploader, roll up and get yer historic FIA papers and double your cars value! ]

(c) as stated earlier it does have a proper ali body fettled on the original bucks (pardon the pun )

Its a murky business, and anyone with an ounce of nouce will now that a COX5XXXX never existed in the 60s.

Incidently I have been quietly tracking the passage of the Legate car over the past year or two. It appears to me to be a car that is regualrly passed around different dealerships, and always for an asking price of approx £250-260k, when the dealer can be honest enough to state upfront rather than some POA crap that you sometimes see on AC or Shelby-badged cars.

[london]

Originally Posted by KevinW

One of the reasons the Legate car is priced so high is :

(a) Trevor once owned it, although Ive never understood why so few miles on it, if these are genuine, given Trevor is/was a genuine enthusiast;

(b) It has FIA papers, so is qualified to be used in historic racing. I beleive this means demonstrating some right to be considered as historic. so some dubious claim that the chassis was actually welded up before Jan 1970 is needed I think, and ofcourse, a suitable year of registration

http://www.hscc.org.uk/resources/HRS...egs%202011.pdf
http://www.goodmanderrick.co.uk/__da...l_passport.pdf

[so from last link.... come on guys, providing its a FBB and a toploader, roll up and get yer historic FIA papers and double your cars value! ]

(c) as stated earlier it does have a proper ali body fettled on the original bucks (pardon the pun )

Its a murky business, and anyone with an ounce of nouce will now that a COX5XXXX never existed in the 60s.

Incidently I have been quietly tracking the passage of the Legate car over the past year or two. It appears to me to be a car that is regualrly passed around different dealerships, and always for an asking price of approx £250-260k, when the dealer can be honest enough to state upfront rather than some POA crap that you sometimes see on AC or Shelby-badged cars.

Which at around $420,000 is probably $140,000 more than the car would make without the '1966' registration and historic FIA papers.

[KevinW]

well, this whole historic racing thing got me interested on the rights of replicas or not for historic racing.

So after a little digging I also found this

http://www.fia.com/resources/documen...istoric_qa.pdf

and this correspondence between the president of the FIA, our own tabloid favourite, Max Mosely and Mr Robin Stainer, AC Owners' Club (ACOC) Cobra registrar (scroll down on the link)

Historic Cars - Questions and Answers

... so it seems to me that to go historic racing, then using the old adage

'if it look like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it is a duck'...

then it would appear that if you have a cobra with a period correct chassis and an ali body, and provided it has enough period fittings, (incl Ford engine + toploader) then a cobra replica will be eligible for an HTP - thats an Historic Technical Passport. This makes no claims on originality or provenance, but simply says the vehicle meets the technical requirements to be entered into an historic racing event. I'm not usually a fan of EU regulation, but it appears the FIA has been forced into this situation on 'technical discrimination' grounds.

(Provenance, and thus potential historical value are dealt with seperately in the HC or Heritage Certificate. These cost 4-figure sums and upwards requiring detailed inspection and proof of history, and proof a car's genuine originality).

..... so, Im wondering if that Legate car basically has simply just got itself a HTP. Cost is about $600 or so.

The HC would be impossible to obtain with this car as it has no history that it can claim.

[hurricaneharold]

Originally Posted by london

Which at around $420,000 is probably $140,000 more than the car would make without the '1966' registration and historic FIA papers.

The car Trevor owned is Cox 5012, which was not built by AC ,he bought the chassis and body from them,and had the car built by someone else,which could explain why he had such a hard time getting the car registered

[london]

Originally Posted by KevinW

One of the reasons the Legate car is priced so high is :

(a) Trevor once owned it, although Ive never understood why so few miles on it, if these are genuine, given Trevor is/was a genuine enthusiast;

(b) It has FIA papers, so is qualified to be used in historic racing. I beleive this means demonstrating some right to be considered as historic. so some dubious claim that the chassis was actually welded up before Jan 1970 is needed I think, and ofcourse, a suitable year of registration

http://www.hscc.org.uk/resources/HRS...egs%202011.pdf
http://www.goodmanderrick.co.uk/__da...l_passport.pdf

[so from last link.... come on guys, providing its a FBB and a toploader, roll up and get yer historic FIA papers and double your cars value! ]

(c) as stated earlier it does have a proper ali body fettled on the original bucks (pardon the pun )

Its a murky business, and anyone with an ounce of nouce will now that a COX5XXXX never existed in the 60s.

Incidently I have been quietly tracking the passage of the Legate car over the past year or two. It appears to me to be a car that is regualrly passed around different dealerships, and always for an asking price of approx £250-260k, when the dealer can be honest enough to state upfront rather than some POA crap that you sometimes see on AC or Shelby-badged cars.

The attached certificate of authenticity may be of interest -this relates to COB 5002 another AC 'continuation' 427, completed in 2003.

http://www.classicdriver.co.uk/uk/fi...lCarID=1789514