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12-05-2009, 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Gunner
I guess that means no minarets.  |
Yeah...nobody gives a **** about this small country with mountains, chocolate, cows and watches... but the minarets makes us famous!! 
Don't take that too serious...saw similar posts in other forums. We have over 20% inhabitants from out of contry, well...
BUT: we're here for talking Cobras! Are the Kirkhams and Shelbys registered in the same registry?
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12-05-2009, 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by fonti
Yeah...nobody gives a **** about this small country with mountains, chocolate, cows and watches... but the minarets makes us famous!
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I understand the context of the debate, believe me. Couldn't pass up the chance for a rimshot. Apologies to the cows and chocolate. I doubt the mountains care. I just asked my watch; it doesn't care.
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BUT: we're here for talking Cobras! Are the Kirkhams and Shelbys registered in the same registry?
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For reasons that make no particular sense to me, Kirkhams are included the Shelby registry.
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12-05-2009, 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by fonti
Are the Kirkhams and Shelbys registered in the same registry?
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Yes.
Why? Because "They (Kirkhams) can be used to complete the reconstruction of original serial numbered Cobras or to build totally new vehicles. They (the Kirkhams) also sensed the a market for parts which could be used to restore or reconstruct original Cobras because the specifications would be virtually identical." Quote taken from page 846 of the World Registry.
Shelby's CSX4000's and 6000's use Kirkham bodies. Just a an approximation, but of the 600 Kirkhams produced, 250 +/- were delivered to Shelby, at least that's what I remember the Kirkhams stating in a thread some time ago.
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12-05-2009, 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by RodKnock
Yes.
Why? Because "They (Kirkhams) can be used to complete the reconstruction of original serial numbered Cobras or to build totally new vehicles. They (the Kirkhams) also sensed the a market for parts which could be used to restore or reconstruct original Cobras because the specifications would be virtually identical." Quote taken from page 846 of the World Registry.
Shelby's CSX4000's and 6000's use Kirkham bodies. Just a an approximation, but of the 600 Kirkhams produced, 250 +/- were delivered to Shelby, at least that's what I remember the Kirkhams stating in a thread some time ago.
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I know that the body is identical... but: why should I pay around 30K more for a Shelby compared to a Kirkham, when the qualiy, craftmanship and the "people behind Kirkham are at least as good as "Shelby"?
Sorry, but it's important for a "swiss farmer": both, the Kirkham and Shelby are registered in the same registry? They have just another VIN?
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12-05-2009, 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by fonti
Sorry, but it's important for a "swiss farmer": both, the Kirkham and Shelby are registered in the same registry? They have just another VIN?
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fonti -- From a purely mechanical standpoint, the Kirkham is a better made car. The only advantage that an aluminum Shelby has over a KMS is the name "Shelby." If that's not worth the price differential (and it's not to a lot of people that can easily afford it), then your decision is an easy one. 
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12-05-2009, 03:16 PM
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fonti -- From a purely mechanical standpoint, the Kirkham is a better made car. The only advantage that an aluminum Shelby has over a KMS is the name "Shelby." If that's not worth the price differential (and it's not to a lot of people that can easily afford it), then your decision is an easy one
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Pat,
Please explain how the KMP is better than a Shelby from a mechanical standpoint.
Allan
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12-05-2009, 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Allan A
Please explain how the KMP is better than a Shelby from a mechanical standpoint.
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Allan, that's my opinion of course and I certainly don't want to derail this thread. But there have been any number of posts complaining about the final quality on select CSX cars. There are also threads comparing the frame designs, and, the most recently, a thread that I remember that had to do with the front hub assembly. That was an absolute nightmare for one CSX owner. I honestly can't remember a single thread dealing with a Kirkham that was similar. But again, I don't want to derail the thread. And I will admit, there certainly are wonderfully built CSX cars out there....
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12-05-2009, 03:32 PM
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On the CSX front hub assembly thread. I may be wrong, but I think it was the Kirkhams that finally came to that guy's rescue. Shelby did not. I'm sure others will remember it, and if I'm wrong, they will point it out rather quickly. 
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12-05-2009, 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by fonti
why should I pay around 30K more for a Shelby compared to a Kirkham, when the qualiy, craftmanship and the "people behind Kirkham are at least as good as "Shelby"?
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This has been hashed over many times, never to anyone's satisfaction. There are one or two ardent "just being called Shelby is worth the premium" spokesbeings herein. Another plurality is that quality counts but the Shelby name is meaningless on any newly built car.
The Shelby name is worth a $20-30k premium, all other things being equal, but there is no evidence that it will ever increase the long-term value by any but a proportionate amount. For some, it's important to have that CS stamp of approval. For others (most of us) we'll live, hangdog, knowing Unca Shelby wouldn't take tea with us. 
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12-05-2009, 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Gunner
For others (most of us) we'll live, hangdog, knowing Unca Shelby wouldn't take tea with us. |
I wouldn't bet on that....
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12-05-2009, 03:18 PM
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I wouldn't bet on that....
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And for $250 I can send my glove box door off for an artygraph, too.
There's, uh, a word for that. But I'll be nice.
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