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View Poll Results: Who played the most important role in the original Cobra's success? Check only one.
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Carroll Shelby
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Ken Miles
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Phil Remington
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6.95% |
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Pete Brock
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John Tojeiro
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Alan Turner
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02-04-2010, 02:46 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Ottawa,
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Cobra Make, Engine: 2002 Superformance w/392 stroker
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[Dangerous poll #2] Who played the most important role in the Cobra?
In other words, whose role was completely indispensable in making the Cobra what it was?
Please vote, and feel free to explain the reasons for your choice.
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and anyone who drives slower is an Idiot." - George Carlin
Last edited by SunDude; 02-04-2010 at 02:51 PM..
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02-04-2010, 03:03 PM
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Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Baton Rouge, Louisiana,
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Cobra Make, Engine: Waiting to Order a BDR, engine to be a SA C408. TKO to hook it up.
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The fastest car in the world is just a collection of stationary parts until someone makes it work. Ken made it work.
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02-04-2010, 03:22 PM
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Senior Club Cobra Member
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Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Granite Bay,
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Cobra Make, Engine: SPF GT40P-2265/393W, KMP318 (PROJECT!!!!!)/CSX478
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Despite my personal distaste for the man's recent behaviour, Shelby was the key in getting the whole thing moving.
Without Carroll, Ken Miles is still driving his MG specials around SoCal. Without Carroll, none of the parties that got together to develope the Cobra into what it became would have met.
Shelby didn't build the car, he didn't design the car, and he didn't race the car. But he did make it happen.
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"Dishwasher? I thought that was for cleaning parts!?"
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02-04-2010, 03:37 PM
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Join Date: Nov 1999
Location: Salem,,
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Cobra Make, Engine: ERA 289 FIA #2100 Rio Red Wimbledon White Stripes 302 stroked to 331 Webers Richmond Road Race 5 speed
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Shelby mated the AC Bristol with the Ford 289, But Ken Miles did all the testing to make the car cross the finish line way ahead of the competition. Any one can build a race car, but not every one can make it a winner. Miles was not only a race driver, but an engineer who could tell exactly what was wrong with the car and how to fix it.
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02-04-2010, 03:41 PM
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I went with Ken Miles because he used to test the cars on the city streets and the cops could never catch him. He seemed to know exactly what had to be done to make them handle and fast. A great driver and engineer I think. And he had a real seat of the pants feel for the cars.
Ron
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02-07-2010, 03:56 AM
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It has always been a colaboration,between Ken miles,and others who drove the cars,and the king pin Mr.Shelby.
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10-03-2010, 08:33 PM
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important role in the Cobra. I agree with Igofaster
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Originally Posted by Igofastr
Despite my personal distaste for the man's recent behaviour, Shelby was the key in getting the whole thing moving.
Without Carroll, Ken Miles is still driving his MG specials around SoCal. Without Carroll, none of the parties that got together to develope the Cobra into what it became would have met.
Shelby didn't build the car, he didn't design the car, and he didn't race the car. But he did make it happen.
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In my opinion the Cobra would not have become a production car without Dean Moon and his crew.Shelby knew nothing about fabrication or mechanics, and installing the Ford 221 in the AC chassis was done by Moon. And the first test driver was Billy Krause who took the car out with Wire Wheels that flexed 6 inches in turn nine at Riverside, but gave back the feedback that was needed. And Dave Mcdonald who was the best driver ever in a Cobra in my opinion.
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02-04-2010, 03:41 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: North Haven,
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Cobra Make, Engine: Backdraft Racing
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Who wrote the checks?
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02-04-2010, 04:14 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Yorba Linda,
CA
Cobra Make, Engine: SPF w/392CI stroker
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Ford. Without sponsors/backing where would have Carroll come up with the cash to pay for it all?
-Dean
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10-04-2010, 03:55 PM
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Location: Ft. Myers,
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I agree without Ford, there never would have been a Cobra to begin with.
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02-04-2010, 04:22 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2007
Cobra Make, Engine: KMP 539, a Ton of Aluminum
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How about Enzo Ferrari? Without his car, there would be no war.
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02-04-2010, 04:29 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Tucson,
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Cobra Make, Engine: Superformance 427 Side-Oiler
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Everyone BUT Shelby.
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02-04-2010, 04:53 PM
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Location: Freedomia,,
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Cobra Make, Engine: Coupe,Blue w/white stripes SB; Roadster, Blue w/white stripes BB w/2-4s; SPF installer/Hot Rod-Custom Car builder
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I have to give it to GM. If they hadn't refused to sell Chebby engines to CS, they would have likely played second fiddle to the Corvette. Interesting that Ford is capitalizing on that connection and GM is banking on their political ones 
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02-04-2010, 05:19 PM
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Location: Menasha,
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Cobra Make, Engine: B+B 351w #112
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Didn't CS use an AC car that was already designed to fit a european Ford engine? Jim
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02-04-2010, 05:31 PM
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Location: Meriden,
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Cobra Make, Engine: ERA 427 SC s/n 718, 428 FE
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Like him or not, it was 'ole Shel who put it all together. He's the one who hired the people who made the whole thing work. He had the vision.
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02-04-2010, 06:23 PM
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Join Date: Sep 2008
Cobra Make, Engine: KMP 427 S/C, Twin Paxton 511 FE
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Some of these answers are getting pretty darn creative. 
rodneym
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02-04-2010, 07:14 PM
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Cobra Make, Engine: CR 427 S/C, 351W, 5 Sp & KMP142 - 427 SO, 4 Spd
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Heh heh - would you expect anything else? 
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02-04-2010, 09:35 PM
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Location: The Heart of the Citrus District,
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Cobra Make, Engine: Sold 3047 & 3002 in 2012
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Carroll has been quoted many times saying.... "that without Ken Miles, there would have been no C O B R A"
..so would Carroll's efforts never made the history they have engraved? ..................no
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02-09-2010, 03:37 AM
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In my view Ken Miles was the man who was the "most important role in the Cobras early sucess".Obviously the Cobra was Carroll Shelbys idea and he got the ball rolling but as the thread title asks it has to be Miles.
Besides money a car has to be developed and from what i have read in all the books out there Ken Miles tested, tested and tested those cars until they were winners.
Its the same recently with Michael Schumacher with his years at Ferrari, he tested all the time when other drivers were taking holidays.
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02-09-2010, 07:56 AM
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It's called a Shelby Cobra ain't it .
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