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01-24-2011, 07:32 PM
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I thought the aluminum bodies (& frames) were hand made in England and shipped to Shelby. No tooling in California. 
Dwight
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01-25-2011, 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by computerworks
With respect to the body of the Cobra, the "cobra tooling" was not in Shelby's hands to sell.
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So all the articles that I have read regarding Ron Butler are in fact incorrect when this is stated? Interesting...guess you can believe anything now days.
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01-25-2011, 12:03 PM
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Ron Butler worked for Shelby back when, but the "tooling" he bought was the Arntz Cobra stuff. He got no tooling from Shelby....Shelby never built Chevy powered, Jag suspended, plastic cars.
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01-24-2011, 05:48 PM
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OK guys, as I'm getting most of this information second hand, let's see what we can all agree on regarding FFR's MkIV bodies.
Everyone seems to agree that FFR digitally scanned CSX3035 but did not splash the car in the traditional sense, right?
Everyone also seems to agree that FFR made significant modifications to its digital rendering so that the final design varies considerably from CSX3035, right?
So, if this is the case, then it's fair to say that CSX3035 was the basis for FFR's MkIV cars regardless of the fact that the finished product is different, right? In other words, the MkIV was not based on a different car, was it?
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As for the Classic Roadsters, Elegant Motors and Stallion-style Cobras, I would imagine these were original designs inspired by the Cobra. Does anyone know their true origins?
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01-24-2011, 06:02 PM
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I see. So that would make it the bastard child of CSX3035 and CSX3045.
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01-24-2011, 06:06 PM
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Quote:
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I see. So that would make it the bastard child of CSX3035 and CSX3045.
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HAHAHAH
I guess that it would |
01-24-2011, 07:43 PM
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I see. So that would make it the bastard child of CSX3035 and CSX3045.
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Nope, rather its a test tube baby. Born in the lab by mad scientists: LOL: |
01-24-2011, 06:06 PM
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How about Superformance?
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01-24-2011, 06:34 PM
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Quote:
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How about Superformance?
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Yeah... what about Superformance? Never knew that story. |
01-28-2011, 06:32 AM
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How about Superformance?
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I've PMed GP1482, who works for Superformance LLC in Irvine CA, to see if he can let us know.
As a Superformance owner myself, I'd love to know the answer too.
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01-24-2011, 11:03 PM
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Did you guys ever confirm that 3235 was the car used for what eventually became Hurricane? I never knew the out come of the search.
Larry
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01-25-2011, 01:04 PM
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Rick, do you know the origins of the Superformance MkIII mold?
I read somewhere that the body mold was originally produced by Richard W. de Beer, of Rich Industries in Port Elizabeth, and was acquired by Jimmy Price of Hi-Tech Automotive. Do you happen to know what CSX car he modeled the car from?
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01-25-2011, 01:32 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SunDude
Rick, do you know the origins of the Superformance MkIII mold?
I read somewhere that the body mold was originally produced by Richard W. de Beer, of Rich Industries in Port Elizabeth, and was acquired by Jimmy Price of Hi-Tech Automotive. Do you happen to know what CSX car he modeled the car from?
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In short, no, I don't, but I will ask.
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01-25-2011, 02:55 PM
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I don't think SPF was slashed from any given CSX car. I reckon it's a made up shape.
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01-25-2011, 04:43 PM
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splash aurora cobra (289)
This car used a 260 cobra number #2013 to make there molds.
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01-25-2011, 06:06 PM
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Not trying to hijack this thread, but want to clear up the matter of the "Shelby tooling".
I believe I am responsible for the misinformation. I said at one time that Ron "had bought the Shelby tooling". I got in a lot of trouble with Jamo for that and rightly so.
What really happened is that Ron bought most everything in Shelby's shop (obviously no tooling for the bodies or frames), consisting of lots of tools, machines, materials, etc.
As for the Arntz stuff, he ended up with frames and stuff like bodies, etc. when Arntz went out of business and then started building Butlers. As most people know, he built the frames for Arntz.
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01-25-2011, 06:28 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SunDude
Shelby Autos: splashed CSX3178 for their fiberglass continuation series cars (CSX4000/6000s)
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So I went to look to see what my car's daddy looked like.
Pretty amazing transformation.
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01-26-2011, 01:37 AM
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Shelby used CSX3057
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Shelby Autos: splashed CSX3178 for their fiberglass continuation series cars (CSX4000/6000s)
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Last edited by kris-kincaid; 01-26-2011 at 10:22 AM..
Reason: To make it easier for SunDude to read
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01-26-2011, 02:43 PM
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Quote:
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Shelby used CSX3057
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Really? So what you're saying is that Shelby Autos used a McClusky-built "completion Cobra" as the basis for its CSX4000-series...?
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01-26-2011, 03:39 PM
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McCluskey built the chassis, Kimmins did the body, then Shelby American built the rest of the car. So, they used a Shelby-built "completion Cobra" as the basis for its CSX4000-series. CSX3057 was built out of order from the rest, and it's because it sat around the building unbuilt while they splashed it.
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Really? So what you're saying is that Shelby Autos used a McClusky-built "completion Cobra" as the basis for its CSX4000-series...?
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