Continuation of Thread: Drag race - Kirkham 65 side-oiler vs Ferrari 458 Italia

[computerworks]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Ron (Computerworks) posted the Ferrari Forum thread earlier in this thread, but the Ferrari guys weren't too in to it. Drag racing is such blue collar sport you know.

No wine and cheese crowd over here.

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=312330

All of 2 pages...no juice whatsoever.

[HI Cobra]

Congrats to both. Provided a great mental vacation and also great to see that
there are still great sportsmen around. A class act, and Buzz - that was an
excellent narrative of the event - thanks. Looking forward to the video.

[SP01715]

Originally Posted by computerworks

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=312330

All of 2 pages...no juice whatsoever.

Pretty funny read. They are now accusing Blitz of sanbagging even though it's some of the same posters that said the Cobra did not stand a chance. Thanks for the link.

[blitzforce]

Originally Posted by SP01715

Pretty funny read. They are now accusing Blitz of sanbagging even though it's some of the same posters that said the Cobra did not stand a chance. Thanks for the link.

So funny how people say that. I mean how retarded are they, the bet was booked, Tommys practice had nothing to do with his runs at all, him being worried would only have helped me, his car had to be bone stock and there was no skill in driving it. Between his 500 a day **** talking texts I would of loved nothing more than to tell him he was ****ed and or bet him more. There is 0 chance either Tommy or myself would ever welch on a bet, and he OFFERED me another bet, if i lost i got a tattoo and if he lost i got his car, 100k to win 200k and i only booked 42 to win 85 and refused the tattoo bet, why would I not of taken all the action I could get if I knew for-sure I was gonna win, not to mention many of my other friends offered to buy action on Tom and I said no.

[SP01715]

I hear you. Laying down a 10 second run in a Cobra is not an easy task.

[ACademic]

Originally Posted by SP01715

Laying down a 10 second run in a Cobra is not an easy task.

True. But from the description I heard here, there was enough resin laid down on that track to make a wooly mammoth cringe. If I were Blitz, I'd swap out the half shafts knowing that the twisting forces had to have been extreme.

I also wonder with all the practice that the Ferrari owner put in, did he hurt the driveline in any capacity (i.e. clutch slippage)? That car is capable of 10.90s out of the box, and on a prepared track and 75 degrees it was ideal conditions to replicate the "magazine driver" times that we all drool over.

Trust me, I'm glad that the Cobra won. As someone else said here, a different driver in the Cobra and who knows what the results would have been? Both are bad ass cars.

And one other thing. Who cares if the headlights aren't real? Wow.

[tin-man]

Originally Posted by computerworks

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=312330

All of 2 pages...no juice whatsoever.

sniff, I just visited the Ferrari site and those guys are real nice gents n'all, breathe rarefied air and live in a parallel world not unlike ours but decidedly in another world. What was interesting was all the speculation about the Ferrari beating the crap outa the Cobra and then the results became know to all the players, what a hoot. Eat crow guys, eat crow the Ferrari got beat by a grunt that has been around for over fifty years.

Kudos to Blitz for his driving skills, to the Tom Kirkham for building a world class car and to Kiethcraft for developing an awesome engine and finally to ol' Shell, for creating the legend.

Cheers, John, AKA, tin-man, UK

[soulman]

Guys,

Just finished reading all this thread, unbelievable ... and how embarrassing !

Otomix -Ray.... you sold your car ??? must be proud !

still waiting on you to come down to Australia and help me polish !!!



Perhaps your Aussie Kirkham can do similar in Australia ?.

- note to all Aussie Ferrari drivers !!!

The best thread to date.

Soul.

[ACademic]

Originally Posted by tin-man

Eat crow guys, eat crow the Ferrari got beat by a grunt that has been around for over fifty years.

I find it amusing that some of you find it gratifying that a NEW Cobra replica with a 500+ CI modern internal components engine and a prepped track beat the best Ferrari that Enzo has to offer.

No CSX in Carroll's stable, short of a dragon snake, would have won that race. I still think it's cool that a carb'd BB V8 in an original-like body and chassis beat the best, but ease up on the in-your-face, huh?

[SP01715]

Originally Posted by ACademic

I find it amusing that some of you find it gratifying that a NEW Cobra replica with a 500+ CI modern internal components engine and a prepped track beat the best Ferrari that Enzo has to offer.

No CSX in Carroll's stable, short of a dragon snake, would have won that race. I still think it's cool that a carb'd BB V8 in an original-like body and chassis beat the best, but ease up on the in-your-face, huh?

The gratification came after reading the comments on the Ferrari boards...

[Buzz]

The point is that "today's Cobra" - more on that below - is still pretty much the same car that it was in the '60's: A 90" wheelbase, aluminum bodied superleggera - style car, with an OHV pushrod V8 sending power through a manually clutched and shifted gearbox to independently suspended rear wheels. No driver aids, no electronic engine management and no traction control

Yes, there is some newer-tech stuff in the engine - alloy block and heads along with some porting and machine work that wasn't commonplace in 1965; but all of that stuff is stone age primitive compared to the super-optimized, tech-laden rocketship from Ferrari. No matter how you slice it this was still a raw accelleration contest between a Cobra - in all it's primitive, brute force glory against the latest and greatest offering from Enzo (well, Enzo's legacy anyway ). AND - THE COBRA WON HANDILY IN SPECTACULAR FASHION!

As far as the prepped track and Las Vegas altitude, etc; both cars were running in the same air, on the same track. The option of bypassing the electronic autopilot and paddle shifting at max RPM without traction control was available to Tommy but it made no difference. The Cobra was just too fast, period.

The other thing about the Kirkham not really being a Cobra - Thinking about the issue has changed my position. To me now it's just pure semantics. It may not be a Shelby Cobra, but in every bit as much as the original AC car was a Cobra, so is the Kirkham. Corporate politics and shenanigans over the years have determined how the Cobra moniker can be used officially, but little else has changed. The Kirkham car is by all practical reasoning a Cobra - not much different at all from the AC Cobra of the '60's. Just better engineered and way better built. That's the way I honestly see it.

PS: I'm still stuck in Las Vegas (gotta say I'm really enjoying this place) for a few more days with nothing but a basic laptop so posting photos is about the best I could do - sorry Bigga Brudda

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by Buzz

The other thing about the Kirkham not really being a Cobra - Thinking about the issue has changed my position. To me now it's just pure semantics. It may not be a Shelby Cobra, but in every bit as much as the original AC car was a Cobra, so is the Kirkham. Corporate politics and shenanigans over the years have determined how the Cobra moniker can be used officially, but little else has changed. The Kirkham car is by all practical reasoning a Cobra - not much different at all from the AC Cobra of the '60's. Just better engineered and way better built. That's the way I honestly see it.

The Shelby World Cobra Registry calls them "Kirkham Cobras."

[Chaplin]

Yeah, but what does Evan call it?

[blitzforce]

Originally Posted by ACademic

I find it amusing that some of you find it gratifying that a NEW Cobra replica with a 500+ CI modern internal components engine and a prepped track beat the best Ferrari that Enzo has to offer.

No CSX in Carroll's stable, short of a dragon snake, would have won that race. I still think it's cool that a carb'd BB V8 in an original-like body and chassis beat the best, but ease up on the in-your-face, huh?

Wanna bet?

[ACademic]

Originally Posted by blitzforce

Wanna bet?

Good one. You're "Winning...." (a little Sheen reference for those that don't get it)

I think some here have missed my point entirely. I'm on the Cobra side of the fence. It's freakin' awesome that essentially old school technology (a visual wrapper with all of the underpinnings of a modern day-built BB) beat Enzo's best. But so would a '72 Vega set-up for Pro Gas. I just think the "eating crow" comment was, shall we say, childish? I thought the cobra crowd was above that, despite whatever they spew on a Ferrari chat forum.

I hope Blitz and Tommy get a lot of press for this (magazines or otherwise). It was a cool showdown representing old vs. new, so it's probably best to leave it at that. And they both have big brass ones that clank when they walk, especially Blitz for not having a lot of seat time on a drag strip and just simply going for it all. That impressed me more than him winning the bet.

[rodneym]

Hey ACademic,
You should have taken that bet. You were right. No CSX in the old stable could have beat the 458 (not even the Dragon Snake-11.89secs). You're 'ACademic', you should have known that.
Taking the bet would have been settled with history books, not a trip to the strip.

[csx4910]

I disagree with the idea that any csx in the "old stable" couldn't of beat him. In the 60's they took a stock iron block csx and went 0-60-0 in 12 seconds. You dont think they could of posted a sub 11 sec quarter mile? I disagree. It still goes back to how good they can get the power to the ground. I know my new csx is CAPABLE of running that fast if I have the driving ability to get the power to the ground, dont blow a shift etc.

But I have no doubt it was done many times back in the 60's not only with race prepped cobras but also street versions

[tin-man]

[quote=ACademic;1115487] I just think the "eating crow" comment was, shall we say, childish? I thought the cobra crowd was above that, despite whatever they spew on a Ferrari chat forum.

Wow, you really take yourself seriously, huh?

My post: sniff, I just visited the Ferrari site and those guys are real nice gents n'all, breathe rarefied air and live in a parallel world not unlike ours but decidedly in another world. What was interesting was all the speculation about the Ferrari beating the crap outa the Cobra and then the results became know to all the players, what a hoot. Eat crow guys, eat crow the Ferrari got beat by a grunt that has been around for over fifty years. Kudos to Blitz for his driving skills, to the Tom Kirkham for building a world class car and to Kiethcraft for developing an awesome engine and finally to ol' Shell, for creating the legend.

was made in the spirit of the moment and after having read the comments on the Ferrari forum that Computerworks had provided a link for. Seems those guys exhibited a disbelief that a replica of the original Cobra design, being over fifty years old beat the latest and greatest Ferrari had on offer, and, had exhibited what to me seemed like a disdain for the Cobra brand, thus I used the term "eat crow" which under the circumstances was the correct use of words given what the guys on the Ferrari site were saying.

Eating crow is an English-language idiom meaning humiliation by admitting wrongness or having been proved wrong after taking a strong position Eating crow is presumably foul-tasting in the same way that being proved wrong might be emotionally hard to swallow.[1]n.

Analogous to this would be David ”flipping off” Goliath, (oh dear, another silly expression) prior to nailing him with a rock or conversely the underdog beating the champ, as in the Rocky Movie. Seems we all like to root for the underdog

Not sure about you, but I get the impression that most of the folks on the Club Cobra are hardworking guys and use this forum to express themselves freely and on occasion let rip with their expressions and emotions when describing something, without any concern for censure, hell even Jamo stated to Blitz “nice girl, she cook good? I’ll give you two sheep and a goat for her”, but changed his mind and kept the sheep……I would have kept the girl. I also recall someone wrote And one other thing. Who cares if the headlights aren’t real? Wow.

So when you say some of my words are childish may I suggest you first perform your due diligence to fully understand the veracity of the statement and its use in the context of what is being discussed.

ACademic, no harm, no foul, pal, but y’all picked the wrong guy to dance with.

Cheers, John, AKA, tin-man, Zhuhia. P.R.C.

[computerworks]

Originally Posted by ACademic

No CSX in Carroll's stable, short of a dragon snake, would have won that race. I still think it's cool that a carb'd BB V8 in an original-like body and chassis beat the best, but ease up on the in-your-face, huh?

Originally Posted by blitzforce

Wanna bet?

- Best Post of the Thread

[Mdman352]

Originally Posted by blitzforce

wanna bet?

do not bet this dude