How do you handle the questions?

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by Buzz

So Shelby is a Cobra replica manufacturer after all??

The authoritative definition or classification of the continuation series Shelby cobras are set forth in the SAAC registry not by Al's loose usage of the term. Really, let's not be silly.

Everyone can establish their own definitions. Knock yourselves out. It's a free country. However I doubt many will give a rat's patuty about any personal definitions that are at odds with the World Registry and that would include me.

[Joe's Garage]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

The authoritative definition or classification of the continuation series Shelby cobras are set forth in the SAAC registry not by Al's loose usage of the term. Really, let's not be silly.

Everyone can establish their own definitions. Knock yourselves out. It's a free country. However I doubt many will give a rat's patuty about any personal definitions that are at odds with the World Registry and that would include me.

Court Ruling
Judges Rogers, Walsh and Bergsman presiding -
Shelby continuation cobras are kit cars along with the rest of the non-60's Cobras.

Choke on it.

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by Joe's Garage

Court Ruling
Judges Rogers, Walsh and Bergsman presiding -
Shelby continuation cobras are kit cars along with the rest of the non-60's Cobras.

Choke on it.

Gee, you seem like such an angry little chap I know, your frustrated since I debunked your little fallacious, disingenuous and misleading effort to diminish Shelby's role in the creation of the Cobra. Your having such a difficult time here. So now in your rush to "pile on" you went down the same prime rose path poor PaulF went down even citing the Circuit judges names. Impressive.

You also seem to have a penchant for not only trying to skew facts and history but like PaulF exposing your ignorance on subjects you clearly don't understand.

BTW, do you have a copy of the opinion or were you just following PaulF? Don't tell me its the blind leading the blind. How embarassing for such a supercilious little bloke. Ouch.

Cheers.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

The authoritative definition or classification of the continuation series Shelby cobras are set forth in the SAAC registry not by Al's loose usage of the term. Really, let's not be silly.

Everyone can establish their own definitions. Knock yourselves out. It's a free country. However I doubt many will give a rat's patuty about any personal definitions that are at odds with the World Registry and that would include me.

I know why Evan gets tired responding to this topic all the time. I'm tired as well.

I like what Ned Scudder, the SAAC Cobra Registrar had to say way back on 5/20/15:

"As for the inclusion of the new cars in the SAAC registry, I have yet to be advised exactly what is supposed to be happening. Some time ago it was decided (or so I thought) that SAAC would deal with the historic cars, and let Shelby American handle the replicas they have made. The DenBeste press release says their cars will be submitted to/ included in the SAAC registry, but that's as much as has been said. I can say with certainty that these cars will not appear with the cars from the 60's regardless of their chassis numbers or whatever they are eventually called."

Mystery solved. Shelby Trust to sell Real Cobras

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

I know why Evan gets tired responding to this topic all the time. I'm tired as well.

I like what Ned Scudder, the SAAC Cobra Registrar had to say way back on 5/20/15:

"As for the inclusion of the new cars in the SAAC registry, I have yet to be advised exactly what is supposed to be happening. Some time ago it was decided (or so I thought) that SAAC would deal with the historic cars, and let Shelby American handle the replicas they have made. The DenBeste press release says their cars will be submitted to/ included in the SAAC registry, but that's as much as has been said. I can say with certainty that these cars will not appear with the cars from the 60's regardless of their chassis numbers or whatever they are eventually called."

Mystery solved. Shelby Trust to sell Real Cobras

Yes, yes. Ned wrote that. Yes, Ned is the Registrar for the original cars (427 or 289, can't remember and very knowledgeable as to the history of the original cars) however that statement was made in the context of the new "completion cars" discussion and the personal statement made by him does not represent an official statement by the organization whose text and definitions are clear and expressly stated.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Yes, yes. Ned wrote that. Yes, Ned is the Registrar for the original cars (427 or 289, can't remember and very knowledgeable as to the history of the original cars) however that statement was made in the context of the new "completion cars" discussion and the personal statement made by him does not represent an official statement by the organization whose text and definitions are clear and expressly stated.

Yes, yes. Context is important. Ned was speaking about all Shelby replicas, not just the 3000 "resurrection" Cobras. However, the 3000 "resurrection" Cobras are actually higher on the old Shelby food chain than your 4000 series car with all those NOS/OEM parts and stuff. BUT, they're all replicas. Not the same company, not the same parts, not the same employees and made 50 years after the original production run. Ned is considered an expert and he has an opinion, just like all the other experts at SAAC.

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Yes, yes. Context is important. Ned was speaking about all Shelby replicas, not just the 3000 "resurrection" Cobras. However, the 3000 "resurrection" Cobras are actually higher on the old Shelby food chain than your 4000 series car with all those NOS/OEM parts and stuff. BUT, they're all replicas. Not the same company, not the same parts, not the same employees and made 50 years after the original production run. Ned is considered an expert and he has an opinion, just like all the other experts at SAAC.

Yes, he is an expert on original cars. Agreed. That doesn't mean he speaks for SAAC on all issues nor did he say he was speaking for SAAC. He is not SAAC.

You are entitled to use whatever definition of "replica" you like or analyze it any way you like. I'll stick with the Registry definition. Thanks though.

As for the "Completion" cars being "higher" in the Shelby on the Cobra "totem pole"...yes I can see that if they were actual "completion cars" but that's an entirely different discussion is it not? Bottom line is the Continuation Cobras are on the Cobra "totem pole" PaulF's and the rest in his tribute's category aren't even on the pole. This explains the angst for those in having to admit when they really don't want to to Joe Public his LA Exotic for example or others like it etc...that it is really just a pretend Shelby Cobra. Again, bottom line they can try and garnish it any way they want buy they have a fake of what Shelby owners have.

The only thing that makes many of these guys feel better is to bring down what someone else owns and then cry foul and play the victim saying "its all about his is better then yours" when the facts are shoved in their face. Please. LOL. Comical really.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Yes, he is an expert on original cars. Agreed. That doesn't mean he speaks for SAAC on all issues nor did he say he was speaking for SAAC. He is not SAAC.

You are entitled to use whatever definition of "replica" you like or analyze it any way you like. I'll stick with the Registry definition. Thanks though.

As for the "Completion" cars being "higher" in the Shelby on the Cobra "totem pole"...yes I can see that if they were actual "completion cars" but that's an entirely different discussion is it not? Bottom line is the Continuation Cobras are on the Cobra "totem pole" PaulF's and the rest in his tribute's category aren't even on the pole. This explains the angst for those in having to admit when they really don't want to to Joe Public his LA Exotic for example or others like it etc...that it is really just a pretend Shelby Cobra. Again, bottom line they can try and garnish it any way they want buy they have a fake of what Shelby owners have.

The only thing that makes many of these guys feel better is to bring down what someone else owns and then cry foul and play the victim saying "its all about his is better then yours" when the facts are shoved in their face. Please. LOL. Comical really.

I think the key sentence in Ned's statement is:

Originally Posted by Nedsel

Some time ago it was decided (or so I thought) that SAAC would deal with the historic cars, and let Shelby American handle the replicas they have made.

Just like politicians, positions and opinions can evolve. There may be a movement afoot to remove the Shelby "true replicas", Kirkham and SPF GT40 replicas from the SAAC Registry. I'd certainly support it. There's just too many replicas to keep track of and the SAAC Registrars are just volunteers.

As for the 3000 series resurrection Cobras, at $500,000 per copy , they'll be the best Shelby replicas available.

[Joe's Garage]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

,,,There may be a movement afoot to remove the Shelby "true replicas", Kirkham and SPF GT40 replicas from the SAAC Registry,,,

A big step in the right direction and how it should have been all along.

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

I think the key sentence in Ned's statement is:


Just like politicians, positions and opinions can evolve. There may be a movement afoot to remove the Shelby "true replicas", Kirkham and SPF GT40 replicas from the SAAC Registry. I'd certainly support it. There's just too many replicas to keep track of and the SAAC Registrars are just volunteers.

As for the 3000 series resurrection Cobras, at $500,000 per copy , they'll be the best Shelby replicas available.

Yes, when Shelby started making Cobras again there was some discussion just how to deal with them. It was an interesting issue as to how to deal with them. I think SAAC made the correct decision in including the new Shelby Cobras as it is part of the continuation evolution of Shelby American. They have dealt with them logically, fairly and correctly. As to the inclusion of other cars they have their reasons and they are free to revisit their decisions. It's their club and their Registry but having cataloged many new Shelby Cobras it would seem counter productive to just leave them out if we are cataloging Shelby Cobras and the ongoing history and developments.

They have clearly broken out the original historic cars to their own chapters.

You say their may be a movement afoot? Funny, I haven't heard of any such movement. You have decided there are too many cars to keep track of? Does SAAC concur with you? Who is your source? Please tell us. Talk about "spin".