How do you handle the questions?

[mullen2]

The way I see it. Don't think I have heard of a better analogy.

1960's (Original) Rolex Submariner - (Continuation) New Rolex Submariner

Both are genuine Rolex Submariners. There are plenty of knock offs for much less but bring them into a Rolex dealer and they quickly tell you its not a Rolex. Same can be done with a inspection of a Shelby Cobra by a qualified Shelby expert and by referencing its CSX vin # via the Registry.

I apply the same logic to the (Original) Shelby Cobras and the Aluminum (Continuations). Both similar in nature with same company building them. Im sure there aren't many employees left building new Rolexes that built the first original Submariners, but the company still makes Genuine name brand product today. The early (Original) Rolex Submariners are very coveted by the collectors who own the handful of them out there. Some own both. "In house movement" may apply some how as well to this analogy...LOL

Sorry to add another line in this never ending topic. After seeing it at the top of the page the last few times I opened the site, I had to click on it, and for fun add my 2 Cents.

In all reality we will all be dead or close to it in 40 years who knows what the cars may or may not be worth then. Im pretty sure none of us will be right if we guessed today. What ever we own, we own because we liked it enough to step up and buy it, who cares what anyone else thinks. Drive the hell out of it and have fun! Cheers boys!

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by mullen2

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The way I see it. Don't think I have heard of a better analogy.

1960's (Original) Rolex Submariner - (Continuation) New Rolex Submariner

Both are genuine Rolex Submariners. There are plenty of knock offs for much less but bring them into a Rolex dealer and they quickly tell you its not a Rolex. Same can be done with a inspection of a Shelby Cobra by a qualified Shelby expert and by referencing its CSX vin # via the Registry.

I apply the same logic to the (Original) Shelby Cobras and the Aluminum (Continuations). Both similar in nature with same company building them. Im sure there aren't many employees left building new Rolexes that built the first original Submariners, but the company still makes Genuine name brand m, product today. The early (Original) Rolex Submariners are very coveted by the collectors who own the handful of them out there. Some own both. "In house movement" may apply some how as well to this analogy...LOL

Sorry to add another line in this never ending topic. After seeing it at the top of the page the last few times I opened the site, I had to click on it, and for fun add my 2 Cents.

In all reality we will all be dead or close to it in 40 years who knows what the cars may or may not be worth then. Im pretty sure none of us will be right if we guessed today. What ever we own, we own because we liked it enough to step up and buy it, who cares what anyone else thinks. Drive the hell out of it and have fun! Cheers boys!

Perfect.

Uh oh "Mr. Null & Void". What Now?

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by mullen2

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The way I see it. Don't think I have heard of a better analogy.

1960's (Original) Rolex Submariner - (Continuation) New Rolex Submariner

Both are genuine Rolex Submariners. There are plenty of knock offs for much less but bring them into a Rolex dealer and they quickly tell you its not a Rolex. Same can be done with a inspection of a Shelby Cobra by a qualified Shelby expert and by referencing its CSX vin # via the Registry.

I apply the same logic to the (Original) Shelby Cobras and the Aluminum (Continuations). Both similar in nature with same company building them. Im sure there aren't many employees left building new Rolexes that built the first original Submariners, but the company still makes Genuine name brand product today. The early (Original) Rolex Submariners are very coveted by the collectors who own the handful of them out there. Some own both. "In house movement" may apply some how as well to this analogy...LOL

Sorry to add another line in this never ending topic. After seeing it at the top of the page the last few times I opened the site, I had to click on it, and for fun add my 2 Cents.

In all reality we will all be dead or close to it in 40 years who knows what the cars may or may not be worth then. Im pretty sure none of us will be right if we guessed today. What ever we own, we own because we liked it enough to step up and buy it, who cares what anyone else thinks. Drive the hell out of it and have fun! Cheers boys!

Evan, here it comes.

I'm not a "watch person" and know nothing about them. And I don't wear them. But the newer Rolex is CLEARLY A REPLICA. Same logic. IMO.

First, a watch is obviously not a car. Watches don't have to meet Federal safety and emissions regulations, which have dramatically changed automobiles over the past 50 years. If the watch was regulated by the Federal government, then watches would be completely different, even a Rolex.

Second, I'm going to assume that the watch building process and materials have changed over the last 30-50 years, no? The older Rolex is likely made differently using different metallurgy. So are the modern Shelby Cobra replicas. Does the newer Rolex use OEM parts and building processes from the 1960's?

Third, "coveted schmuveted." The older Rolex worth 5-10x more than the newer Rolex? 1960's Cobras are worth $1,000,000-$5,000,000. The most expensive Shelby replica will be the Resurrection Cobras at $500,000 per copy with $50,000 going to charity according to the press release. The 4000 series replicas are roughly $200,000+/-.

Fourth, did Rolex stop building watches for 30 years and change it corporate entity? Carroll Shelby International/Shelby American did.

Different processes, different company, different employees, different parts, and built 30-50 years after the original.

The modern Shelbys are replicas as are the modern Rolexes. To me anyway.

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Evan, here it comes.

I'm not a "watch person" and know nothing about them. And I don't wear them. But the newer Rolex is CLEARLY A REPLICA. Same logic. IMO.

First, a watch is obviously not a car. Watches don't have to meet Federal safety and emissions regulations, which have dramatically changed automobiles over the past 50 years. If the watch was regulated by the Federal government, then watches would be completely different, even a Rolex.

Second, I'm going to assume that the watch building process and materials have changed over the last 30-50 years, no? The older Rolex is likely made differently using different metallurgy. So are the modern Shelby Cobra replicas. Does the newer Rolex use OEM parts and building processes from the 1960's?

Third, "coveted schmuveted." The older Rolex worth 5-10x more than the newer Rolex? 1960's Cobras are worth $1,000,000-$5,000,000. The most expensive Shelby replica will be the Resurrection Cobras at $500,000 per copy with $50,000 going to charity according to the press release. The 4000 series replicas are roughly $200,000+/-.

Fourth, did Rolex stop building watches for 30 years and change it corporate entity? Carroll Shelby International/Shelby American did.

Different processes, different company, different employees, different parts, and built 30-50 years after the original.

The modern Shelbys are replicas as are the modern Rolexes. To me anyway.

Oey vey. You really should change your user name to "Curmudgeon"

You also need to go back and "null and void" your above strained "analysis" (you really struggled with this one didn't you. Must have been painful ) which is laced with "assumptions", "I don't know" and statements of the obvious such as the gem that a watch is not a car.

Please explain to us how a gap in manufacturing "null and voids" the analogy. If Tom Kirkham shut production down and decided to manufacture duck decoys for 10 years and then decided to come back and restart Kirkham with new employees now having to source parts and components from new sources and use German aluminum and starting making Kirkham Cobras again would they not be real Kirkham Cobras?

Also, also to follow your logic (if we can call it that) new Indian Motorcycles are not Indian Motorcycles just the originals from 50 years ago?

The higher price that people will pay more for the older classic ones is based on rarity and the fact they are part of a set definite pool. People also pay more for new Rolexs from Rolex than fake Rolexs from the guy on the street in NYC don't they. People also pay more for current series Shelby Cobras from SAI then they pay for an LA Exotic, Unique etc.. that are fake Shelby Cobras.

Maybe you need to stop "squinting your eyes so hard" and open them.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Oey vey. You really should change your user name to "Curmudgeon"

You also need to go back and "null and void" your above strained "analysis" (you really struggled with this one didn't you. Must have been painful ) which is laced with "assumptions", "I don't know" and statements of the obvious such as the gem that a watch is not a car.

Please explain to us how a gap in manufacturing "null and voids" the analogy. If Tom Kirkham shut production down and decided to manufacture duck decoys for 10 years and then decided to come back and restart Kirkham with new employees now having to source parts and components from new sources and use German aluminum and starting making Kirkham Cobras again would they not be real Kirkham Cobras?

Also, also to follow your logic (if we can call it that) new Indian Motorcycles are not Indian Motorcycles just the originals from 50 years ago?

The higher price that people will pay more for the older classic ones is based on rarity and the fact they are part of a set definite pool. People also pay more for new Rolexs from Rolex than fake Rolexs from the guy on the street in NYC don't they. People also pay more for current series Shelby Cobras from SAI then they pay for an LA Exotic, Unique etc.. that are fake Shelby Cobras.

Maybe you need to stop "squinting your eyes so hard" and open them.

Evan, I have to keep repeating myself, because your analogies don't work, whether Rolexes, Kirkhams, Indian Motorcycles or whatever. What's the next analogy?

What's really funny is that your analogy using the Kirkham, is that it's a Cobra replica. So, David would be making replicas of replicas.

After a roughly 30-year gap in its "lineage", using completely different materials, produced by different employees and by a different company, but using the same name, no squinting is needed, it's a replica. Kirkham, Rolex, Indian, whatever.

Shelby is making replicas. There's a reference to it in the SAAC World Registry. Shelby referenced it in the Registry, calling them "true replicas." But for marketing purposes came up with "Continuation Series."

[jhv48]

The original Shelby cars created/changed motor racing history.

A Rolex just tells time.

Apples to cranberries.

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by jhv48

The original Shelby cars created/changed motor racing history.

A Rolex just tells time.

Apples to cranberries.

Ok, you just destroyed the analogy Mullen offered with your insightful analysis.

Are you truly that lost? I can't

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Ok, you just destroyed the analogy Mullen offered with your insightful "analogy".

Are you truly that lost? I can't

Again, Evan, why are you getting sidetracked with insulting other member's opinions. Just stay on topic and let the poster know why his opinion doesn't agree with your opinion, because that's all we're talking about here. Opinions, whether it be from noted Cobra experts like Ned or from a lowly pleb like me.

[cycleguy55]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Oey vey. You really should change your user name to "Curmudgeon"

You also need to go back and "null and void" your above strained "analysis" (you really struggled with this one didn't you. Must have been painful ) which is laced with "assumptions", "I don't know" and statements of the obvious such as the gem that a watch is not a car.

Please explain to us how a gap in manufacturing "null and voids" the analogy. If Tom Kirkham shut production down and decided to manufacture duck decoys for 10 years and then decided to come back and restart Kirkham with new employees now having to source parts and components from new sources and use German aluminum and starting making Kirkham Cobras again would they not be real Kirkham Cobras?

Also, also to follow your logic (if we can call it that) new Indian Motorcycles are not Indian Motorcycles just the originals from 50 years ago?

The higher price that people will pay more for the older classic ones is based on rarity and the fact they are part of a set definite pool. People also pay more for new Rolexs from Rolex than fake Rolexs from the guy on the street in NYC don't they. People also pay more for current series Shelby Cobras from SAI then they pay for an LA Exotic, Unique etc.. that are fake Shelby Cobras.

Maybe you need to stop "squinting your eyes so hard" and open them.

You mean the Rolex I paid $20 for in Times Square in NYC is a fake? It's not worth a gazillion dollars as a collectible? I'm crushed...