How do you handle the questions?

[Joe's Garage]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

You know, it just hit me. You guys are just crying out for help. I have been cruel and selfish. I realize that because you are not fortunate enough to own Shelbys many of you are suffering from a painful envy syndrome.

For humanitarian reasons and to make you feel better about the fakes you own and so we can all just get along nicely I think you guys should adopt the therapeutic description as used by JoesGarage when referring to Shelby Continuation Cobras. I'll play along promise. We can call it the Club Cobra Continuation Shelby therapeutic mantra.

Sorry for being so mean in the past.

Your friend.

Naw, no need for a "Club Cobra Continuation Shelby therapeutic mantra". We're all on board with what you have, it's you in need of therapy. But your problem has roots that are deep due to years of self-induced brainwashing. Rather than go through the troublesome task of identifying your Shelby for what it is - "a Shelby Continuation Series Kit Car Replica of an original Shelby Cobra", I suggest when members reply to you they simply refer to you/your car as REAL_FAKE_1. Only have to type it once, quick an easy, the right therapeutic reminder of what it is that you own.

[jhv48]

In case you guys haven't noticed, Real 1 is a master of obfuscation.

His license plate, though 100% accurate, is designed to misrepresent the value and history of his vehicle to the general public, thus inflating his perceived status.

His tag line at the bottom of all his posts, though 100% correct, makes readers think that he is, or was, an Army Ranger. I know I did. He wasn't! Once again, serving to inflate his perceived status.

Notice how he generally try's to take the offensive and rarely addresses all the facts? Typical lawyer speak. He bills by the hour, thus a yes/no question will elicit a three paragraph response. And none of it will answer your question. And when he has no response, he will denigrate the other party in an attempt to make them feel "less than" and put them on the defense. Another good lawyer tactic.
Remember, the best defense is a good offense. And, if you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bull--it. And finally, like any good lawyer knows, deny, deny, deny.

Individuals that have this kind of personality are fun to mess with. Their personal worth and status is directly tied to their possessions. Thus, to admit to it would destroy their personal foundation.
Trying to get Real1 to admit to the public that his cobra is no better than a mere replica will never happen. His self image is tied to the deception.

Now, watch how he will try to degrade me personally (or attack my car) or accuse me of being an amateur psychologist rather than address the issues. He is a master of deflection. Same BS, different day.
But, not once will he admit to his deceptions.

I apologize if I've gone too far, but I have grown tired of reading his attempts to deflect the issues and his repeated attempts to talk down to others. He obviously has a need to feel superior to all of us. Usually that stems from a severe inferiority complex. And nothing we can do or say will change him.

[Joe's Garage]

Originally Posted by jhv48

,,, His tag line at the bottom of all his posts, though 100% correct, makes readers think that he is, or was, an Army Ranger. I know I did. He wasn't! Once again, serving to inflate his perceived status ,,,

I also thought he was an Army Ranger, interesting, fits the inferiority complex perfectly.

[trularin]

Second bag and still going strong.

[rodneym]

We have to thicken our skin a little if we're driving anything but a CSX2/3.

I wonder if Evan had a different Cobra, chassis # POS1234, but had the same exact opinion...would people love to go at it with him? Then again, something tells me if he owned CSX3xxx, he would still love to argue .

I don't mean to get all 'Mr. Brady' here, but the incessant knocking him down is somewhat of a transparent, self fulfilling prophecy steeped in insecurity. I don't see a CSX4/6/7/8/9 owner going at it with him, myself included. Because we're on the same side? No. My opinion hasn't changed since I owned an SPF 3 Cobras ago. His opinion doesn't raise my Cobra(s), and my opinion doesn't lower his.

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by rodneym

... but the incessant knocking him down is somewhat of a transparent, self fulfilling prophecy steeped in insecurity. I don't see a CSX4/6/7/8/9 owner going at it with him, myself included. Because we're on the same side? No. My opinion hasn't changed since I owned an SPF 3 Cobras ago. His opinion doesn't raise my Cobra(s), and my opinion doesn't lower his.

I think everyone should just agree with Evan's argument. All problems and hard feelings would then go away, and nothing would really change anyway. C'mon, it's not like he's driving a beige ERA or something....

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by patrickt

I think everyone should just agree with Evan's argument. All problems and hard feelings would then go away, and nothing would really change anyway. C'mon, it's not like he's driving a beige ERA or something....

He's already agreed that it's a replica. So I'm good.

[rodneym]

Originally Posted by patrickt

C'mon, it's not like he's driving a beige ERA or something....

You tell 'em, sister!

- rodney "friend of the friendless" m

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by rodneym

Then again, something tells me if he owned CSX3xxx, he would still love to argue .

I can't tell if your comments are directed towards me, but I'm NOT "incessantly knocking him down" aka personal attacks.

If Evan owned a CSX2000 or CSX3000 from the 1960's, then there would be no discussions at all, because he would own a real genuine original Shelby Cobra. Period. But for those 1,000 cars built 50 years ago, every other Cobra produced subsequently, are replicas, clones, including those being built by a company called Shelby, from 1996-present.

Some people at SAAC, likely over the uproar of many, decided to add the Shelby replicas, Shelby decided to call them "Continuation Series" for marketing purposes, because "true replica" wouldn't sell well, and then more recently added Kirkham Cobras too.

Not sure how that's a personal attack or "incessantly knocking him down" since I own a Kirkham and I think it should be kicked out of the Registry as well. Am I knocking myself down too? My objection is about semantics of the words "real", "genuine" or whatever adjective du jour. If anything, he thinks he attacked me by labeling me a "liberal."

[rodneym]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

If anything, he thinks he attacked me by labeling me a "liberal."

That WAS low.
Shame on Evan.

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by jhv48

In case you guys haven't noticed, Real 1 is a master of obfuscation.

His license plate, though 100% accurate, is designed to misrepresent the value and history of his vehicle to the general public, thus inflating his perceived status.

His tag line at the bottom of all his posts, though 100% correct, makes readers think that he is, or was, an Army Ranger. I know I did. He wasn't! Once again, serving to inflate his perceived status.

Notice how he generally try's to take the offensive and rarely addresses all the facts? Typical lawyer speak. He bills by the hour, thus a yes/no question will elicit a three paragraph response. And none of it will answer your question. And when he has no response, he will denigrate the other party in an attempt to make them feel "less than" and put them on the defense. Another good lawyer tactic.
Remember, the best defense is a good offense. And, if you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bull--it. And finally, like any good lawyer knows, deny, deny, deny.

Individuals that have this kind of personality are fun to mess with. Their personal worth and status is directly tied to their possessions. Thus, to admit to it would destroy their personal foundation.
Trying to get Real1 to admit to the public that his cobra is no better than a mere replica will never happen. His self image is tied to the deception.

Now, watch how he will try to degrade me personally (or attack my car) or accuse me of being an amateur psychologist rather than address the issues. He is a master of deflection. Same BS, different day.
But, not once will he admit to his deceptions.

I apologize if I've gone too far, but I have grown tired of reading his attempts to deflect the issues and his repeated attempts to talk down to others. He obviously has a need to feel superior to all of us. Usually that stems from a severe inferiority complex. And nothing we can do or say will change him.

1. Yes, they haven't noticed. That's why I am "master of obfuscation". It took someone as insightful as you to point it all out.

2. You apparently determined that my license plate though 100% accurate is still "designed" to misrepresent (implying some nefarious intent on my part) as evidenced by this gem "His license plate, though 100% accurate, is designed to misrepresent..." Uh, Ok. So lets see.... not only do you know what my "intent" was by requesting my particular vanity plate this all comes from a guy with a car that does not even qualify as a "replica" according to the technical Webster dictionary definition of the term and whose car is an imposter of a Shelby Cobra in every respect (whether original or continuation series) whose car at the same time bears a vanity plate "427Sn8k" when this fake Cobra is not even powered by a real 427 and is as close to a Shelby 427 as the model on my desk as stated previously. So tell us, what snake were you conveying you car is? A Garter snake?, Gopher snake? Wait... a Brown snake? Coral snake? Tell us.

3. You tend to read way to much into things and make rush to assumptions where they shouldn't be made. That's you problem I think. Never said I was a Ranger. My Tag line no way implies I was or am. However, my father was. I am a supporter of the military. I am proud of his service and the military in general and especially fond of the Rangers. You seem to have a natural talent for making yourself look silly.

4. Yes, I like taking the offensive. I prefer it. Being Jewish and a big Israel supporter I have the Israeli attitude that if you "F" with me I will "F" with you 10 times harder. That's just me. . As to the "facts"... I have given them to you and the others here over and over. I have tried to help you and the rest of the land of the lost with facts, logic, reason, authoritative texts going step by step. The only thing left to do now would be to draw you pictures with crayons. Also, the denigration started from your side of the fence. I just returned the favor in a painfully truthful way. You guys remind me of Hamas in your strategy. Firing missiles and then crying foul when they get their a$$e$ handed to them and painting Israel as the aggressor.

5. I haven't attacked you personally. If I called you a "clown", a jerk, a moron, creep or something like that that would be attacking you personally. Also I don't need bullchit to baffle you. You seem baffled enough by the simple facts. Look, I'm sure you are a nice guy and just lost and frustrated on this subject though and perhaps looking to make yourself feel better by denigrating what you don't own but that's understandable. Envy. Its a human weakness. I fully understand.

6. I see you now know what good lawyers do! You must have heard that on T.V.

7. You have not gone too far. Please don't offer disingenuous apologies. By CC standards this is nothing. You are par for the course here.. You denigrate Shelbys while complaining that I have denigrated your cars by merely pointing out the obvious. Accusing me of personally insulting you and others when I have not (apparently you don't understand what a personal attack is) while at the same time stating I have an "inferiority complex" and nothing will "change me". That implies something about me personally. That is a personal attack. Not complaining. Its just par for the course here. Also stating my plate while "100% accurate is designed to misrepresent" while "427SN8K" is affixed to the rear of your "pretend" Shelby Cobra. This is all hysterical to me. Classic.

Carry on gentlemen.

[rodneym]

Rodknock,
I wasn't calling anyone out specifically. It's just the argument moved to Rangers and the like.

[And this is not directed towards you, either] So, Evan's not a Ranger? Do we know for sure? Who cares? If he was, I'd care. If he said he was yet wasn't, then I'd say he's a fraud. Maybe he's a fan? Maybe he has a relative in the Rangers? Maybe someone he knows gave their life? When I see a car with a NASA sticker on it, I don't ASSume they're an astronaut or a rocket scientist.

Many of us have Cobra emblems on our.....ah, forget it

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by rodneym

Rodknock,
I wasn't calling anyone out specifically. It's just the argument moved to Rangers and the like.

[And this is not directed towards you, either] So, Evan's not a Ranger? Do we know for sure? Who cares? If he was, I'd care. If he said he was yet wasn't, then I'd say he's a fraud. Maybe he's a fan? Maybe he has a relative in the Rangers? Maybe someone he knows gave their life? When I see a car with a NASA sticker on it, I don't ASSume they're an astronaut or a rocket scientist.

Many of us have Cobra emblems on our.....ah, forget it

Rodney, if only most here were like you!!!

As to the Ranger issue...see above. I dealt with it. You hit the nail on the head.