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Old 10-04-2011, 01:38 PM
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I have driven all and they are all fine. In my opinion the spf is the best driver, easy to get in and out of, they have opened it up a bit more than the others to allow for the bigger driver, of course the kirkham is a piece if art, and the era looks awesome and drives just as good.
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Old 10-04-2011, 02:08 PM
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I would agree with those that suggest NOT to buy one of these cars as an investment. That said, I think you would do OK investment-wise with any well-bought example. Of course, what that means is up for debate.

I will say that I think you would generally have a better chance at retaining value with the upper end cars (Kirkham, CSX)...fewer out there, and perhaps fewer buyers...but the buyers in that range typically have more disposable income, and will be willing and able to pay for what they want.

I think your most valuable asset is patience. OK, money first, then patience. But patience is a virtue, especially when shopping. Take your time, and get a feeling for the market before making any firm decisions.

Just my opinion, and probably worth what you paid for it.
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Old 10-04-2011, 03:07 PM
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The CSX, SPF, and Kirkham cars are built in a semi-factory environment, so you do have a quality control system that ensures a certain level of build quality.

The majority of ERA's were built in someones garage, and the quality can be either outstanding, or crap. The first ERA I looked at for sale was from the lower end of the quality spectrum. It was truely a POS, and I would not have felt comfortable driving it 5 miles.

Now with that said, I don't believe you will run into that many ERA's in that condition, but they do exist.
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Old 10-04-2011, 03:17 PM
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The majority of ERA's were built in someones garage, and the quality can be either outstanding, or crap. The first ERA I looked at for sale was from the lower end of the quality spectrum. It was truely a POS, and I would not have felt comfortable driving it 5 miles.

Now with that said, I don't believe you will run into that many ERA's in that condition, but they do exist.
I've been waiting for years here to say this. The same is true replicas in general (and not just Cobras). If you buying a car that is roller based the quality of at least the body and frame is predictable (NOT guaranteed). I saw a truly horrifying kit (Backdraft, I believe) that looked like a 3rd grader had used masking tape and paste on some of the fiberglass work. That said, outstanding examples of all manufacturers can be found.
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Old 10-04-2011, 03:20 PM
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Now with that said, I don't believe you will run into that many ERA's in that condition, but they do exist.
But you would agree that an ERA built 100% by the elves in New Britain is clearly superior to an SPF with its vertical radiator, drop down pedals, and the like.
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Old 10-04-2011, 03:26 PM
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But you would agree that an ERA built 100% by the elves in New Britain is clearly superior to an SPF with its vertical radiator, drop down pedals, and the like.
And before Ding Dong above mentions it, ERA is the only manufacturer that has a complete manual.

Phew! I'm glad I beat him to it.
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... ERA is the only manufacturer that has a complete manual.
Which would definitely come in handy if you were looking at a routine chore, such as changing out a rear wheel bearing, and found yourself left with no alternative but to sit on your ass waiting for your SCOF membership to clear along with your secret decoder ring to be delivered.
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Old 10-04-2011, 04:15 PM
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This car sold at Mecum for $63,000.00. Not a roller, a complete car, ready to drive.

- Rare and period correct 427 CI side oiler engine
- CSX 6019
- Brand new CSX Shelby Cobra
- Factory autherized Shelby Cobra dealership
- Fully documented with a copy of the original MSO signed by Carroll Shelby himself - Carroll Shelby's signature also graces the glove box
- Guardsman Blue with Black interior
- Medium riaser aluminum heads
- Shelby style side winder intake, producing an earth shattering 550 HP on standard super unleaded pump gas
- 4-wheel independent suspension
- 4-wheel disc brakes
- 90" wheel base
- High strength fiberglass composite body
- Rack and pinion steering
- 15" original Stle wood rim steering wheel
- Aluminum fender closeout panels, front and rear
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.....in August 2009, if I reading properly.

1965 Shelby Cobra 427 S/C Roadster Continuation, CSX 6019, 427 CI Side Oiler for sale by Mecum Auction

That was a great deal.....two + years ago.
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Old 10-04-2011, 04:24 PM
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This car sold at Mecum for $63,000.00. Not a roller, a complete car, ready to drive.

- Rare and period correct 427 CI side oiler engine
- CSX 6019
- Brand new CSX Shelby Cobra
- Factory autherized Shelby Cobra dealership
- Fully documented with a copy of the original MSO signed by Carroll Shelby himself - Carroll Shelby's signature also graces the glove box
- Guardsman Blue with Black interior
- Medium riaser aluminum heads
- Shelby style side winder intake, producing an earth shattering 550 HP on standard super unleaded pump gas
- 4-wheel independent suspension
- 4-wheel disc brakes
- 90" wheel base
- High strength fiberglass composite body
- Rack and pinion steering
- 15" original Stle wood rim steering wheel
- Aluminum fender closeout panels, front and rear
I believe this car sold more than two years ago. A truly great buy...However, even with the current crisis in the US< I doubt you would find such a deal in today's market. At least before I found it first (no joke intended)

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Sorry 92" for the Backdraft.
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CSX4045 sold this year at Mecum for $64,000.00. Complete car.

- Early, non-dealer 4000 series Cobra by Shelby. Not a replica
- Fiberglass body
- Finished by Gerry Rumsey (local Ford expert) 1997, titled as 1965
- 427 2x4 carburetor (Holly 650's) backed by 4-speed top loader, big indout (NOS)
- 3.55 Dana independent rear
- Lakewood Bell Housing with 12" clutch, clutch slave cylinder
- Aluminum dress up panel kit
- Tonneau cover (not installed)
- Differential cooler
- Binder with spec sheet and all receipts
- 4 point Simpson belts
- Brutal performance in a drivable car
- Original style firling brakes
- SAAC conversion track days only (2x), otherwise no track use. Low miles with continuous careful maintenance
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Old 10-04-2011, 04:33 PM
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As eveyone else has said, you need to buy the car that fits you and your style. Some of the 60" wheelbase cars won't work for tall people, so you need to look at what else is available. What extras do you want? Look on Cobracountry, there are a lot of different makes on this web site. I bought a Backdraft after looking at SPF and some others. Why did I buy a Backdraft? one reason was because I could not fit in the other cars. the BD has a 62" wheelbase and the price for what you get was great it also sits on BMW suspension which is easy to replace if needed. Look at all the cars and drive as many as you can to see which one feels right for you. Good Luck
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Old 10-04-2011, 04:51 PM
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CSX4045 sold this year at Mecum for $64,000.00. Complete car.

- Early, non-dealer 4000 series Cobra by Shelby. Not a replica
- Fiberglass body
- Finished by Gerry Rumsey (local Ford expert) 1997, titled as 1965
- 427 2x4 carburetor (Holly 650's) backed by 4-speed top loader, big indout (NOS)
- 3.55 Dana independent rear
- Lakewood Bell Housing with 12" clutch, clutch slave cylinder
- Aluminum dress up panel kit
- Tonneau cover (not installed)
- Differential cooler
- Binder with spec sheet and all receipts
- 4 point Simpson belts
- Brutal performance in a drivable car
- Original style firling brakes
- SAAC conversion track days only (2x), otherwise no track use. Low miles with continuous careful maintenance
I couldn't find any info on CSX4045, but that doesn't mean anything.

If you're brave enough to bid at auction for a CSX, then these two CSX's were outstanding buys. I'm not sure if the prices include buyer's premium, but they may.

There are no deals like those in the non-auction market AFAIK. For $64K, I'll be there first.
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Old 10-04-2011, 04:58 PM
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But you would agree that an ERA built 100% by the elves in New Britain is clearly superior to an SPF with its vertical radiator, drop down pedals, and the like.
I really do not care about the orientation of the radiator as long as it keeps the engine cool. So far it's been in 107 degree temps and it's run fine and kept cool.

Pedals? As long as they work, I'm happy.

What is important to me is that it is reliable, comfortable, and I'm happy with it.

I do not care about originalty. Anything built/sold after 1967 is a kit, replica, continuation, or whatever term you wish to apply to the car. Regardless, it's not an original no matter how hard you try to make it be one.

Now with that said, I personally believe that ERA probably makes the best kit available today. And your Cobra is a beautiful example, and you have every right to be proud of it. The only downside I can see is the owners attitude at times that feels the pedal location or radiator orientation somehow make his car superior.
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