Cobra Front to rear weight balance

[Silverback51]

Originally Posted by lovehamr

Yup, for all you doubting-Thomas...es, just look at this beak heavy big block as it tries to get around the cones. It's just (what was the word?) "laughable."

1966 Cobra sweeps the autocross - YouTube

Good point.

You forgot to add that he was specifically told not to return the next year, even though it's common for the prior year's winner to return.

[lovehamr]

Originally Posted by Silverback51

Good point.

You forgot to add that he was specifically told not to return the next year, even though it's common for the prior year's winner to return.

Yup:

Final 2009 OPTIMA Ultimate Street Car Results:
2009 OPTIMA Ultimate Street Car
1st Place: Bruce Cambern, ’66 Cobra
2nd Place: Ryan Matthews, ’69 Camaro
3rd Place: Mark Stielow, ’69 Camaro

Baer Brakes Speed Stop Challenge
1st Place: Bruce Cambern, ’66 Cobra
2nd Place: Bruce Cambern, ’66 Cobra

Ridetech Street Challenge Autocross
1st Place: Bruce Cambern, ’66 Cobra
2nd Place: Bruce Cambern, ’66 Cobra

BF Goodrich Hot Lap Challenge
1st Place: Bruce Cambern, ’66 Cobra
2nd Place: Ryan Matthews, ’69 Camaro

Speed by Spectre Design/Build Challenge
1st Place: Barry Blomquist, ’62 Corvette
2nd Place: Josh Henning, ’67 Chevelle

Wonder why they didn't want him back........... Probably because the beak heavy POS would have been beaten to easily...................

Oh, AL427SBF, you did notice that it swept all the performance comps wich included a RR right? It did lose in the "Design/Build" challenge though. Maybe if he'd put a sb in it with wings and things he'd have done better in the boy racer catagory.

[AL427SBF]

Originally Posted by lovehamr

Yup:

Final 2009 OPTIMA Ultimate Street Car Results:
2009 OPTIMA Ultimate Street Car
1st Place: Bruce Cambern, ’66 Cobra
2nd Place: Ryan Matthews, ’69 Camaro
3rd Place: Mark Stielow, ’69 Camaro

Baer Brakes Speed Stop Challenge
1st Place: Bruce Cambern, ’66 Cobra
2nd Place: Bruce Cambern, ’66 Cobra

Ridetech Street Challenge Autocross
1st Place: Bruce Cambern, ’66 Cobra
2nd Place: Bruce Cambern, ’66 Cobra

BF Goodrich Hot Lap Challenge
1st Place: Bruce Cambern, ’66 Cobra
2nd Place: Ryan Matthews, ’69 Camaro

Speed by Spectre Design/Build Challenge
1st Place: Barry Blomquist, ’62 Corvette
2nd Place: Josh Henning, ’67 Chevelle

Wonder why they didn't want him back........... Probably because the beak heavy POS would have been beaten to easily...................

Oh, AL427SBF, you did notice that it swept all the performance comps wich included a RR right? It did lose in the "Design/Build" challenge though. Maybe if he'd put a sb in it with wings and things he'd have done better in the boy racer catagory.

So you are saying Bob Bondaurant and the Shelby Racing Team, both don't know what they are talking about but you do? Is that it? LMAO!

Bob Bondaurant - 351 Windsor was a better balanced Cobra for racing
Shelby Spec Racing Cobra - 427 body with a 351 Windsor

Google 427 cobra road course stats for the last decade you moron.
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[Dimis]

Originally Posted by AL427SBF

Google 427 cobra road course stats for the last decade you moron.
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Easy tiger...

I've said this before & I'll say it again - until all the numb skulls have understood it, or till I discover otherwise.

I think you'll find engines only play a minor role.
Racing has more to do with grip!!!
Tyres & areo package play a bigger role than engine brand, size or shape - PERIOD!

Perhaps you may be quoting others without fully understanding.
Ever thought that perhaps the only reason they downsize to a sb is because they find that the power (read torque) of the bb overwhelms the limited GRIP levels of the tyres & aero package of a cobra?
...and it is this balance they are referring to & not weight?

I suspect sb are often more popular with races for this reason, and bc they are cheaper, with lighter internals which theoretically allow them to spin up quicker & higher rpm.

Ultimately, it's rare your engine will determine 1st, 2nd or last unless it lets go on you.

Save your sb v bb arguements for fools who are ignorant, cos noone with sense is listening.

Each to their own on engine choice.
Over & out!!

[ERA Chas]

Originally Posted by AL427SBF

So you are saying Bob Bondaurant and the Shelby Racing Team, both don't know what they are talking about but you do? Is that it? LMAO! ----

A JBL and small block is a track day car-built for the purpose and not a reason for a superiority attitude. It's a stand-off scale Cobra. 3170's is a real '60's car with a highly developed chassis for track use. 3170's BB will eat your JBL-it's a specialized weapon also. Of course we don't know if you can get the same results as 3170 (the driver) can driving yours do we ace? Lose the ass-clown attitude and discuss without the mistaken belief that you're dispensing absolute fact. You're embarrassing Richard Hudgins-a class guy and fine engineer.

Originally Posted by Dimis

Perhaps you may be quoting others without fully understanding.
Ever thought that perhaps the only reason they downsize to a sb is because they find that the power (read torque) of the bb overwhelms the limited GRIP levels of the tyres & aero package of a cobra?
...and it is this balance they are referring to & not weight?

Dimis has it right. It's the balance of the package they've created for the spec. They could just as easily created a different spec to build the cars to-like 700HP FE's with full slicks and bronze bushings. But the two ideas of a spec car are to limit costs, and take the cars performance out of the variables to find the superior driver. Bondurant knows what he's doing but the cars were not spec'd that way because it's the ultimate track combination. Cost and politics to Ford and CS determined that choice.

You're using a wrong example to prattle a fool's argument that bears no relation to the subject discussed here.

[mdross1]

Originally Posted by Dimis

Easy tiger...

I've said this before & I'll say it again - until all the numb skulls have understood it, or till I discover otherwise.

I think you'll find engines only play a minor role.
Racing has more to do with grip!!!
Tyres & areo package play a bigger role than engine brand, size or shape - PERIOD!

Perhaps you may be quoting others without fully understanding.
Ever thought that perhaps the only reason they downsize to a sb is because they find that the power (read torque) of the bb overwhelms the limited GRIP levels of the tyres & aero package of a cobra?
...and it is this balance they are referring to & not weight?

I suspect sb are often more popular with races for this reason, and bc they are cheaper, with lighter internals which theoretically allow them to spin up quicker & higher rpm.

Ultimately, it's rare your engine will determine 1st, 2nd or last unless it lets go on you.

Save your sb v bb arguements for fools who are ignorant, cos noone with sense is listening.

Each to their own on engine choice.
Over & out!!

Very well said,then you add in the bling factor.For some me included opening the hood of these cars and seeing a big block has it's profound affect all by itself,No racing required!! Been racing,(mostly street) all my life,the ones we always like to go after were the blowhards.The quiet ones we got to know better.The bb/sb wars will never end,never mattered never will to me.Promise this though open the hoods on any of my hot rods and you will certainly see aluminum topped big chunks of American cast iron,hand built with one purpose in mind.When out patrolling not concerned about what your fender badge says you may have lurking under your hood.All prey is treated equal,the fun is just being there.
PS Street racing is a dying thrill around here.Way too many on the roads today that should have their right to operate a motor vehicle revoked.