Replacement for Cobra

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

I think we're still talking about $60K cars and obviously the FGT is no where near that price level.

Shelby and Boss are storied names, back in the 1960's. The modern Shelby and Boss just don't have that same "je ne sais quoi."

Personally, I think the 1st generation of Mazda Miata's have reached that iconic status, but that's just me.

Rodknock: His statement wasn't qualified at all. As to cars in the $60K range I agree that against those cars the Cobra is the most attention getting.

As to "je ne sais quoi", first ("F" the French), second if the French say it must be so you know it ain't. Third, I don't read or speak French so don't care what they say and Finally, and most importantly I think the modern Shelbys still have a VERY high level of desirabiltiy. I need only point to the 50th anniversary Shelby 289s that were sold out in an hour. That says it all. Of course the classic Shelbys demand the really big dollars but a Shelby is a Shelby and still very desirable (some more than others granted BUT thats with anything).

As to 1st gen Mazada's reaching Iconic status...your right...it is just you.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Rodknock: His statement wasn't qualified at all. As to cars in the $60K range I agree that against those cars the Cobra is the most attention getting.

As to "je ne sais quoi", first ("F" the French), second if the French say it must be so you know it ain't. Third, I don't read or speak French so don't care what they say and Finally, and most importantly I think the modern Shelbys still have a VERY high level of desirabiltiy. I need only point to the 50th anniversary Shelby 289s that were sold out in an hour. That says it all. Of course the classic Shelbys demand the really big dollars but a Shelby is a Shelby and still very desirable (some more than others granted BUT thats with anything).

As to 1st gen Mazada's reaching Iconic status...your right...it is just you.

For me, the OP qualifies the $60K limit in the initial post by saying "I have a budget of 60k."

The modern Shelby Mustangs are used cars with "some" desirability, certainly not "very high" to the general sports car buying public.

As for the 50th anniversary Shelbys, come on, are you serious? I heard 1/2 to 2/3rd's of them were bought by dealers for inventory and they're just starting to deliver their first production models. There are plenty for sale, just call your local Shelby dealer.

The 1st generation of Mazda Miatas are very collectible, and iconic. I could go on forever, but here's just a few.

Hemmings:
1990-97 Mazda Miata | Hemmings Motor News

Road & Track:
Complete comparison test of the Mazda MX-5 Miata and the Pontiac Solstice. View photos, data specs of the Mazda MX-5 Miata and Pontiac Solstice at RoadandTrack.com

Businessweek:
25 Most Iconic Cars of the Past 20 Years: Mazda Miata - BusinessWeek

Kelly Blue Book:
Kelley Blue Book

Car Review:
Mazda MX-5 Miata Essential Buyer’s Guide | Car Reviews and news at CarReview.com

The Car Connection:
2012 Mazda MX-5 Miata Reviews and Ratings - The Car Connection

New York Daily News:
New Mazda Miata's outta sight! Iconic roaderster turns 20, more addictive than ever - New York Daily News

Is it just me?

[REAL 1]

I'll take a Shelby any day over a Mazada.

Yes, your right, contemporary Shelbys are used cars today in the resale market but...classic Shelbys were just used cars too a just couple decades ago.

Time will tell.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

I'll take a Shelby any day over a Mazada.

Yes, your right, contemporary Shelbys are used cars today in the resale market but...classic Shelbys were just used cars too a just couple decades ago.

Time will tell.

Can you please spell it "Mazda" not "Mazada." Twice you spelled it wrong. For someone as bright and detailed as you. Oye vey.

I don't own a Mazda Miata, but I would have no problem driving one. I'm confident in my masculinity.

Doug, yes, I really like the 1993-1995 RX7's too, but I'm more of a convertible fan than a Coupe fan.

[Dimis]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

I'll take a Shelby any day over a Mazada.

Yes, your right, contemporary Shelbys are used cars today in the resale market but...classic Shelbys were just used cars too a just couple decades ago.

Time will tell.

I feel like a thread terrorist for continuing the hijacking of this thread but alas... I will add my humble & forecast...


New Mustang Shelbys will be next to worthless in future.

For there to be value in the future it would mean they need to be even remotely desirable (or preferably ICONIC & preferably rare) today by the 10-25 year old age group. So that when they are 35-60 odd and have worked & amassed their wealth they would be able to afford the "toy of desire" or "dream car" that they yearned for when they were young and couldn't afford.

I'd guess with a plethora of Mustang offerings in Roush or Saleen or Ford direct Boss, GT blah blah blah... and none that are specifically in race exclusive format. I'm guessing other than the oldder crew who remember the exploits of the 60s, no-one would care less about the "Shelby" name as the age demographic is missed (imho).

I have no stats to prove(disprove) this hypothesis, but I'd argue that today more of the younger brigade would opt for a Kirkham ahead of a CSX4xxx series. I know I would & did & I in my low 30s.


REAL1 is correct on one thing - Time will tell.

[AL427SBF]

Originally Posted by Dimis

I feel like a thread terrorist for continuing the hijacking of this thread but alas... I will add my humble & forecast...


New Mustang Shelbys will be next to worthless in future.

For there to be value in the future it would mean they need to be even remotely desirable (or preferably ICONIC & preferably rare) today by the 10-25 year old age group. So that when they are 35-60 odd and have worked & amassed their wealth they would be able to afford the "toy of desire" or "dream car" that they yearned for when they were young and couldn't afford.

I'd guess with a plethora of Mustang offerings in Roush or Saleen or Ford direct Boss, GT blah blah blah... and none that are specifically in race exclusive format. I'm guessing other than the oldder crew who remember the exploits of the 60s, no-one would care less about the "Shelby" name as the age demographic is missed (imho).

I have no stats to prove(disprove) this hypothesis, but I'd argue that today more of the younger brigade would opt for a Kirkham ahead of a CSX4xxx series. I know I would & did & I in my low 30s.


REAL1 is correct on one thing - Time will tell.

wtf? what a totally useless off topic diatribe ...

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by Dimis

I feel like a thread terrorist for continuing the hijacking of this thread but alas... I will add my humble & forecast...


New Mustang Shelbys will be next to worthless in future.

For there to be value in the future it would mean they need to be even remotely desirable (or preferably ICONIC & preferably rare) today by the 10-25 year old age group. So that when they are 35-60 odd and have worked & amassed their wealth they would be able to afford the "toy of desire" or "dream car" that they yearned for when they were young and couldn't afford.

I'd guess with a plethora of Mustang offerings in Roush or Saleen or Ford direct Boss, GT blah blah blah... and none that are specifically in race exclusive format. I'm guessing other than the oldder crew who remember the exploits of the 60s, no-one would care less about the "Shelby" name as the age demographic is missed (imho).

I have no stats to prove(disprove) this hypothesis, but I'd argue that today more of the younger brigade would opt for a Kirkham ahead of a CSX4xxx series. I know I would & did & I in my low 30s.


REAL1 is correct on one thing - Time will tell.

By your logic ( and I don't agree with your premise as I think a large part of the young demographic still loves the Shelby name and vehicles and can't afford the extra freight) there will some great buys coming up in the future on CSX 2000 and 3000s.

Rodknock: sorry I'll try and spell Mazada right from now on.

As to the Vette suggestion, My impression was that the op wanted a car that stood out. A vette stands out as much as all the other oranges in the orange section of the fruit stand. I'd go with the Raptor over the Vette.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

By your logic ( and I don't agree with your premise as I think a large part of the young demographic still loves the Shelby name and vehicles and can't afford the extra freight) there will some great buys coming up in the future on CSX 2000 and 3000s.

Rodknock: sorry I'll try and spell Mazada right from now on.

As to the Vette suggestion, My impression was that the op wanted a car that stood out. A vette stands out as much as all the other oranges in the orange section of the fruit stand. I'd go with the Raptor over the Vette.

You do realize that there are bazillions of modern limited edition Ferrari's, Corvette's, Porsche's, etc. that are worth much less than their original MSRP's. Porsche is always coming out with a limited edition Speedster, RS, GT2 or GT3, Corvette's have their Z06's, ZR1's, 25th, 35th, 40th and 50th anniversary models and almost everything is limited with Ferrari. So, these modern limited edition Shelby's and Boss Mustang's will likely follow the same path downwards.

About the only limited edition modern vehicle that I can quickly think of that has held its value is one of the cars that you own counselor.....a 2005-2006 Ford GT.

[REAL 1]

Rodknock: Yes, you are right. There are loads of "limited" edition this and that peddled by various purveyors of automotive metal. Some truly become collectible, most don't. I agree.

My buying criteria is (1) the car must stir my soul (2) have some potential for collectibility, whether they make or not is to be determined by time.

The FGT I truly believe will be a collectible.

The GT500KR I think will one day be a very desirable Shelby for many reasons.

The Continuation Series Cobra will not be collectible (but will always be desireable) until the day comes when SAI stops making them. If that happens, depending on how many exist at that point their stock will rise percipitously.

Of course my opinions on this are just that. My opinions. I could be wrong on each count above but in the mean time each of these cars is special to me and stirs my soul, makes my heart beat faster when I see them or drive them and I love each one of them as much as the day I got them.

That in the end is whats it's really all about. Isn't it?

[DougD]

RodKnock
Yeah, Miatas are fine cars. But they'll always be a girl's car. If you want a Mazda, how about the last generation RX-7? Looks like a hardtop Cobra, and has balls to boot! I think they're undervalued, and would be a car you could drive a few years and make a profit.