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06-04-2013, 03:02 PM
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"AC Cars were a components supplier...." (a real gem)
Just read any interview with the Man in any American magazine for more material. Quotes in UK magazines were different
When do we hear about the 'cunning plan'?
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06-04-2013, 04:41 PM
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I think the one I hear the most is "my neighbor has an original". So I'm guessing that there's about 300 originals in Tucson!
Larry
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06-04-2013, 04:50 PM
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Shelby: “What we did was take a bunch of California hot-rodders and we whipped Ferrari's ass."
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06-04-2013, 07:21 PM
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Cobra Make, Engine: ERA 427 S/C W/Holmon Moody Original Nascar build #508 Iron Block/heads (C5AE-H) Bal/Blu 427 Sideoiler; 780 Holley Dbl. Pump; 4 Speed Top Loader; AP Racing Bks; IRS; 15" Trigo pins
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0 mph to 100 mph & back to 0 mph in 11.8 seconds!  I was holding the stop watch, while in CSX 3116. I was 15 years old! The "AC Cobra" Addiction started @ that moment for me!
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06-05-2013, 12:14 AM
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Thank you for the feedback so far.
The various version of what CSX stood for and the "winos under the railway arch" are great examples of Shelby's spin on the truth.
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06-05-2013, 02:05 AM
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First he asked at Buick for an engine and after that he was trying to get Chevy interested, at last he got the deal with Ford.
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06-05-2013, 03:02 AM
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My lawyer tells me to stay way from this thread. I mean - just where do you start..??
When I was at the AC factory in Brooklands, Brian Angliss laid out all the letters from Shelby and his lawyers over their little 'dispute' (it was a very big table) and I read the lot. It gave me a different perspective on the whole Shelby/Cobra scenario. As has been indicated on this forum in the past, when you dealt with Shelby, you were dealing with two different people....
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06-05-2013, 04:09 AM
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Love this thread!
Does this fit "Myths and Legends" ? 
From Road & Track September 1962
AC Ford Cobra 260:
0-60.....4.2sec
0-100..10.8sec
Standing 1/4 mile...13.8sec @ 112mph
Top speed ...153mph @ 7000rpm
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06-05-2013, 04:18 AM
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Originally Posted by xb-60
Love this thread!
Does this fit "Myths and Legends" ?
From Road & Track September 1962
AC Ford Cobra 260:
0-60.....4.2sec
0-100..10.8sec
Standing 1/4 mile...13.8sec @ 112mph
Top speed ...153mph @ 7000rpm
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Thanks Glen, certainly does. I have no idea how accurate those figures are. Can anyone with a 260 or a better idea than I shed any light?
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06-05-2013, 07:30 AM
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FB:
Sounds about right to me. Back in the early 60's, not being able to afford a Cobra, I stuck a 260 (bone stock, 2 barrel, 164HP) into a 53 MG TD, 3 speed ford tranny, comet rear w/ stock 4" mg wheels and tires, dual exhaust, no headers, and turned low 14's at the strip !!!!
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06-05-2013, 07:53 AM
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FB:
Sounds about right to me. Back in the early 60's, not being able to afford a Cobra, I stuck a 260 (bone stock, 2 barrel, 164HP) into a 53 MG TD, 3 speed ford tranny, comet rear w/ stock 4" mg wheels and tires, dual exhaust, no headers, and turned low 14's at the strip !!!!
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06-05-2013, 04:16 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Trevor Legate
My lawyer tells me to stay way from this thread. I mean - just where do you start..??
When I was at the AC factory in Brooklands, Brian Angliss laid out all the letters from Shelby and his lawyers over their little 'dispute' (it was a very big table) and I read the lot. It gave me a different perspective on the whole Shelby/Cobra scenario. As has been indicated on this forum in the past, when you dealt with Shelby, you were dealing with two different people....
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Only two?
The "cunning plan" is only a seed of an idea, but the thing that got it started was my quest a short while back to learn how the original SW fuel pumps were configured on the 427 race and S/C Cobras. I was surprised by the number of different opposing "facts" that were put forward by different people. There is so much myth and rumour surrounding Cobras that I thought it would be interesting to gather them up and if possible, identify the truth behind some of them.
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06-07-2013, 07:04 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Trevor Legate
My lawyer tells me to stay way from this thread. I mean - just where do you start..??
When I was at the AC factory in Brooklands, Brian Angliss laid out all the letters from Shelby and his lawyers over their little 'dispute' (it was a very big table) and I read the lot. It gave me a different perspective on the whole Shelby/Cobra scenario. As has been indicated on this forum in the past, when you dealt with Shelby, you were dealing with two different people....
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Trevor - Brian Angliss is no angel either. For one, he repeatedly lied and misled people for years with his claims that he used the original tooling in making his 427 cars. He may have had a couple trivial patterns and tooling bits, but the bulk of things including the chassis fixtures and body bucks were long gone by the time he got involved - which he even confirmed in an early magazine article interview by the way. |
06-07-2013, 07:15 AM
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How about this one,supposedly there were a little over 1000 Cobras made and we all know how Shelby took "some" liberties thru the years with things he said.........
I "know" for a fact that there were way more than 1000 or so made,more like 3000,becasue during the mid 90's when I'd go to a very large monthly "cruise night" I was told by at least 3000 people that either they or one of their family members owned an original and the best part, they were all in Louisiana at the time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So there you have it,well over 1000 made and they somehow all ended up in Louisiana in the 90's..........
David
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11-04-2013, 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by DMXF
Trevor - Brian Angliss is no angel either. For one, he repeatedly lied and misled people for years with his claims that he used the original tooling in making his 427 cars. He may have had a couple trivial patterns and tooling bits, but the bulk of things including the chassis fixtures and body bucks were long gone by the time he got involved - which he even confirmed in an early magazine article interview by the way.
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Still, I think he was one of the first to call after the heart transplant. And so it goes ...
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06-05-2013, 09:55 AM
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"Approximately 300 were built" must be a myth because practically everyone I've spoken with about my replica project knows someone that had an original.
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06-05-2013, 11:11 AM
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"Approximately 300 were built" must be a myth because practically everyone I've spoken with about my replica project knows someone that had an original.
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As someone once told me, "there were just over 1,000 Cobras built originally, but there are now only about 3,000 left."  |
06-05-2013, 04:13 PM
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Back in the day when Carrol was hawking his Cobra, he only had one and painted it a different color every week to make it look like he had a whole stable of them when he tried to market it. So goes the lore....
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06-05-2013, 05:56 PM
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Quote:
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Back in the day when Carrol was hawking his Cobra, he only had one and painted it a different color every week to make it look like he had a whole stable of them when he tried to market it. So goes the lore....
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I believe this one is actually true. In one of the tribute shows after Shelby's death, one of the first cars he built was on display (can't remember the #). It had a fairly large paint chip and you could clearly see layers of different color paint around the edge of the chip.
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06-05-2013, 06:24 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kevins2
I believe this one is actually true. In one of the tribute shows after Shelby's death, one of the first cars he built was on display (can't remember the #). It had a fairly large paint chip and you could clearly see layers of different color paint around the edge of the chip.
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CSX2000 was bare aluminum, yellow, then blue. That's it. ;-) |
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