Aluminum Body Shelby Continuation rollers $160,000.00

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Asking $40,000 more for a used Shelby Cobra with self-admitted road rash? That's Ripley's Believe-it-or-not territory. My Kirkham, which was "detailed" by noted Cobra Restorer Stewart Hall of Hall Fabrication, is on sale right now at $199,000. Please submit your offers now, before I change my mind.

Let me know when there's an actual published sale of any Shelby Cobra Continuation over $200K.

Well believe it or not those are the facts. Already told you what I had my car sold for years ago. Already told you I had interest on more than one occassion in the car for over $200K.

Just had my Cobra priced out in detail if I were to do again today by Billy Andrews at HRE. $245K.

Yep. Believe it or not! Your disbelief or belief doesn't alter the reality of what I just advised you.

Oh, and please specify how I "abuse" the Registry. If I am not quoting exactly I am referring the reader to it. I note you referred to the Registry above. Were you "using" it or "abusing" it?

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Well believe it or not those are the facts. Already told you what I had my car sold for years ago. Already told you I had interest on more than one occassion in the car for over $200K.

Just had my Cobra priced out in detail if I were to do again today by Billy Andrews at HRE. $245K.

Yep. Believe it or not! Your disbelief or belief doesn't alter the reality of what I just advised you.

Oh, and please specify how I "abuse" the Registry. If I am not quoting exactly I am referring the reader to it. I note you referred to the Registry above. Were you "using" it or "abusing" it?

Abuse - The improper or excessive use or treatment.

Fact - A thing done. "Interest" and "offers" are NOT "a thing done." The reality is your car and mine are still in their respective garages at home.

I have not seen one sale of a CSX4000 over $200K that has been published. Until I see a published sale or a bank wire transfer to an owner's bank account, I don't believe it. Hillbank is offering a BRAND NEW (2008) CSX4000 for $199,000. I'm sure it has and will continue to sit.

If we're comparing apples-to-apples, if I bought a BRAND NEW Kirkham, optioned it similarly to what I have now, and had Hall Fab put it together, then my OTD price would be somewhere in the neighborhood of $175,000. But so what? My car's value is not $175,000.

[Jamo]

Lmao...

[OnyxRider]

You guys need to get one of those meteorite watches. Oh by the way the McLaren F1 came with one of those TAG watches scribed with the cars number.

Ooops maybe the title should be changed in this thread.

NYG I wouldn't purchase any automobile as an investment. I mentioned before all the vipers that are sitting in storage by guys hoping that they will become collector items.

If you enjoy the car and can afford it go for it but $$$ wise makes no sense. Yes some of the recent Ferrari's have gone up, not to mention the classics of days past. the andrett F1 was just sold for around ten million.

You probably know more on how to market to a younger generation. I'm like Briggs Cunningham.. we both attended one year at Yale. However recently I did receive a diploma for life experiences. Any business that I have ever started I always sit down with my brother. He is a true financial architect with the credentials to go along with it. Any concepts or ideas of mine he has always shaped into a comprehensive plan.

I really didn't know much about the continuation/replica/and fakeydoo Cobras. I know the histories of the real ones though. I think the continuations on face value are over priced and you are paying a large part for the name. Many believe the same. Not much out there for prices to compare. Rodknock seems to keep an eye on that. I have an order for a lightweight E Jaguar. Only because I like those cars and it's the first time Jaguar is making a reissue/continuation. And they are only making a few. They were not very successful back in the day for the privateers.

Personally I would tell someone to use the money for a bigger/nicer house or childrens education instead of buying a continuation cobra. I have been tracking prices of kirkhams though. I was left at the bus stop with those polished bodies. I usually keep ahead of trends but as I said I really never followed the cobra replica market. I think it would be cool to have one of those polished kirkhams, maybe even polished copper in the garage for select guests to use. And having twins 11 years ago means double of everything. Yes two of each lol But even with that I figure that money could be used to fund foundation/scholarship programs.

It just seems a bit much for me with the continuations regarding price & wait time.

[AL427SBF]

I think for our friend I have found the pocket watch of choice, easy to assemble and maintain, fits in a nyc dude's vest pocket like a glove.

[Jamo]

Now, shall we begin our discussion about fountain pen nibs?

[Jamo]

RodKnock, everyone has their own thing(s), but I appreciate replicating the look, feel and sound of a sportsracer based on 50s/60s technology for the same reason I appreciate watches, pens, Eisenhower, fly fishing or talking to the winemaker about his craft...it's "real" rather than some damn electrical mumbo jumbo that is simply convenience, as a proper flush toilet is more convenient than joining the bears in the woods.

[Jamo]

RodKnock...calm down there a bit boy. No need to pile on.

Wanna buy a watch?

[Mark IV]

Originally Posted by Jamo

Wanna buy a watch?

"Wanna buy a watch? I know y'all need a watch, 'cause if y'all had a watch, y'all know it be night time and night time ain't no time to be in this part of town"

And I traded away the fake Rolex I was given some years ago. But I do own a gen-u-ine Timex. No replicas here!

[bret a ewing]

Have owned 2 watches in the last 25 years. Gave the Sub to my Father I.L. after 15 years and have been using a Daytona ever since. Every single day - work, play, sports, even wrenching, you name it. Most people have the bling preception of ownership, but these things are tough SOB's.

[AL427SBF]

All very interesting, no question you are overly concerned about the value of your csx continuation otherwise why solicit a 3rd party appraisal. No matter, the truth is your car is worth what the market will bare and until you actually post a published sale of any Shelby Cobra Continuation over $200K you are just winging it, as in hoping on a wing and a prayer, that your perceived value is true. Using your own criteria for credibility, where's the data to back it up?
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[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by AL427SBF

All very interesting, no question you are overly concerned about the value of your csx continuation otherwise why solicit a 3rd party appraisal. No matter, the truth is your car is worth what the market will bare and until you actually post a published sale of any Shelby Cobra Continuation over $200K you are just winging it, as in hoping on a wing and a prayer, that your perceived value is true. Using your own criteria for credibility, where's the data to back it up?
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The Data. Lets start with a rolling chassis at $160,000.00 before tax. Lets then go to a 2 year wait. Then lets proceed to a detailed and quality authentic build out. You think you are getting into that aluminum Continuation Shelby for less than $200K?

My data? The detailed appraisal and statement recently received setting out in detail with costs what it would take to re-do CSX4206 today from HRE/Billy Andrews. Why solicit a "third party appraisal" ? I have the car insured for an agreed value. Carrier has all the documentation on the car and understands what it is. There is no way I can duplicate my car today as it sits for less than $240,000.00 I was clearly advised this by Billy Andrews at HRE who is very familiar with my Cobra and knows it inside and out. He laid it out in writing in detail. Not winging it.

However, I'm not selling it. But I have had interest expressed to acquire at over $200K on more than one occasion and an owner of a near identical car out of HRE turned down $250K. Had my car sold in or about 2004/5 for $145,000.00 as I recall. I backed out of the deal.

But whatever you say. I'm "winging it". Ok.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

The Data. Lets start with a rolling chassis at $160,000.00 before tax. Lets then go to a 2 year wait. Then lets proceed to a detailed and quality authentic build out. You think you are getting into that aluminum Continuation Shelby for less than $200K?

My data? The detailed appraisal and statement recently received setting out in detail with costs what it would take to re-do CSX4206 today from HRE/Billy Andrews. Why solicit a "third party appraisal" ? I have the car insured for an agreed value. Carrier has all the documentation on the car and understands what it is. There is no way I can duplicate my car today as it sits for less than $240,000.00 I was clearly advised this by Billy Andrews at HRE who is very familiar with my Cobra and knows it inside and out. He laid it out in writing in detail. Not winging it.

However, I'm not selling it. But I have had interest expressed to acquire at over $200K on more than one occasion and an owner of a near identical car out of HRE turned down $250K. Had my car sold in or about 2004/5 for $145,000.00 as I recall. I backed out of the deal.

But whatever you say. I'm "winging it". Ok.

"Interest" expressed a decade ago and an appraisal = Data? Most of us here know that "interest" and appraisals are worthless. I know the appraisal process very well (businesses, real estate, cars, etc.) as I'm sure you do. Educated guesses performed by uneducated people.

All I'm asking for is published sales where money actually moved between two unrelated entities or people. Everything else is pure nonsense in my part of the universe. I'll keep scouring my auction magazine (Sports Car Market) each month and will let you know when one does sell for $200K+.

There's a brand new alloy CSX4000 sitting at Hillbank for $199,000. Make them an offer, buy it, and then flip it for a profit. You could make a profit of 10-20%, which when annualized is an outstanding ROI.

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

"Interest" expressed a decade ago and an appraisal = Data? Most of us here know that "interest" and appraisals are worthless. I know the appraisal process very well (businesses, real estate, cars, etc.) as I'm sure you do. Educated guesses performed by uneducated people.

All I'm asking for is published sales where money actually moved between two unrelated entities or people. Everything else is pure nonsense in my part of the universe. I'll keep scouring my auction magazine (Sports Car Market) each month and will let you know when one does sell for $200K+.

There's a brand new alloy CSX4000 sitting at Hillbank for $199,000. Make them an offer, buy it, and then flip it for a profit. You could make a profit of 10-20%, which when annualized is an outstanding ROI.

What I have is a detailed build sheet from HRE showing the cost to clone my car in detail. Not an estimate. That's what it would cost. It's more than just an appraisal. It tells me what it would cost me to do it all over again today. Being that finding aluminum Shelbys for sale are difficult, in fact dealers have advertised to buy them and there is a 2 year wait.....supply and demand

Keep waxing on about sales etc...I know what I was offered. I know what I turned down. don't need to prove to anyone. Ripley's Believe it or not.

Twoshelbys: You nailed it. World largest unbiased Cobra site.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

What I have is a detailed build sheet from HRE showing the cost to clone my car in detail. Not an estimate. That's what it would cost. It's more than just an appraisal. It tells me what it would cost me to do it all over again today. Being that finding aluminum Shelbys for sale are difficult, in fact dealers have advertised to buy them and there is a 2 year wait.....supply and demand

Keep waxing on about sales etc...I know what I was offered. I know what I turned down. don't need to prove to anyone. Ripley's Believe it or not.

Twoshelbys: You nailed it. World largest unbiased Cobra site.

And a clone of my Kirkham WOULD be $175,000. Does any one want to pay that right now?

Just like you, I'll keep repeating myself. Hillbank has a brand new completed CSX4000 for $199,000. No wait. (They should pay me a marketing fee). Buy it and flip it for a quick profit. Do it quickly before the secret is out.

I'll keep "waxing on" about sales, because, for example, when you buy a home, your realtor should be showing you actual sales data about comparable homes in the neighborhood before making an offer. I hope folks aren't buying homes based upon Ethyl's words, paper and/or computer algorithms.

[stephen_becker]

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[twobjshelbys]

Why does this ALWAYS happen? A monthly diatribe about "is it real or is it memorex" used to be amusing, but now there is one of these going on almost continuously, sometime more than one at a time. ALL OF THIS AND THERE IS NOTHING HERE THAT HASN'T BEEN SAID IN EVERY ONE OF THE OTHER SAME DISCUSSIONS!

It's not a TV rerun, it's like remaking GODZILLA every other day. Different words, different actors (same characters) and nothing changes - the monster rises from the ocean, the monster attacks, the monster dies. Lather rinse repeat.

Stop calling this the "unbiased cobra site", tell all the Shelby Cobra Continuation guys to go away since you hate us so much anyway, and everyone will be happier. Clearly there is bias AGAINST continuation owners. I used to laugh, now I just groan.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by twobjshelbys

Why does this ALWAYS happen? A monthly diatribe about "is it real or is it memorex" used to be amusing, but now there is one of these going on almost continuously, sometime more than one at a time. ALL OF THIS AND THERE IS NOTHING HERE THAT HASN'T BEEN SAID IN EVERY ONE OF THE OTHER SAME DISCUSSIONS!

It's not a TV rerun, it's like remaking GODZILLA every other day. Different words, different actors (same characters) and nothing changes - the monster rises from the ocean, the monster attacks, the monster dies. Lather rinse repeat.

Stop calling this the "unbiased cobra site", tell all the Shelby Cobra Continuation guys to go away since you hate us so much anyway, and everyone will be happier. Clearly there is bias AGAINST continuation owners. I used to laugh, now I just groan.

I don't have any bias or hate towards CSX Continuation (replica) owners. I do have a distaste for Nissan electric car owners that want to question our ability to educate our children, especially when the garage door opens.

[twobjshelbys]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

I don't have any bias or hate towards CSX Continuation (replica) owners. I do have a distaste for Nissan electric car owners that want to question our ability to educate our children, especially when the garage door opens.

On This We Can Agree!!!! And to those who think electric cars are a solution need to be reminded that it costs more using fossil fuels to produce electricity remotely to power a vehicle than to consume the energy locally.

But Tree Huggers Don't Understand Physics.

[bret a ewing]

Sigh.......