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08-16-2013, 11:20 AM
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Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: New Jersey,
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Cobra Make, Engine: Shelby Cobra CSX4206 aluminum body, original 1965 NASCAR 427 SO, Dual quads.
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Originally Posted by RodKnock
BTW, I'm kinda curious. I don't watch the market closely enough, but are the 1960's AC Cobras valued any differently than the 1960's Shelby Cobras?
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ACs sell for less.
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08-16-2013, 11:58 AM
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Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Lehigh Valley, PA,
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Cobra Make, Engine: Look-a-like cobra POS
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I try to rationalize things................The cost to construct a painted ally cobra roller is about 70-75k, (judging by Kirkham's pricing and then adding paint).
Shelby is adding $90k to the bottom line just for the "Shelby" name, not even signed by Carroll, so I don't see the value.
I would not expect a rational human to purchase a vehicle knowing this .
You are into '67 GT500 range for gosh sakes, real, original, Shelbys!!
Just MHO of course.
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Last edited by bret a ewing; 08-16-2013 at 12:02 PM..
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08-16-2013, 12:10 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2005
Cobra Make, Engine: ERA #732, 428FE (447 CID), TKO600, Solid Flat Tappet Cam, Tons of Aluminum
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Originally Posted by bret a ewing
Shelby is adding $90k to the bottom line just for the "Shelby" name, not even signed by Carroll, so I don't see the value.
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The dead hand can still sign from the grave... you just need to find the right lawyers to facilitate it. 
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08-16-2013, 12:17 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: VALLEY FORGE,
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Cobra Make, Engine: SUPERFORMANCE w DOUG MEYER ENGINE
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I heard a rumor that they are "cloning" CS ?
Would that make him Real? Continuation? or Replica?
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08-16-2013, 12:21 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2005
Cobra Make, Engine: ERA #732, 428FE (447 CID), TKO600, Solid Flat Tappet Cam, Tons of Aluminum
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BTW, when it comes to signatures, one that is clearly tied to the individual car itself is in a different class than just a plain signature. You can buy his signature, or a glove box door, without too much difficulty. But, that may be changing....
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08-16-2013, 12:31 PM
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Location: Lehigh Valley, PA,
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Cobra Make, Engine: Look-a-like cobra POS
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You bet, I have all kinds of car crap signed by him, just had to either make a donation to his charity or buy a car. That should slow down soon...............
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08-16-2013, 12:55 PM
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Cobra Make, Engine: 70 Shelby convertible, ERA-289 FIA, ERA 289 roadster hybrid, mystery Ford powered 2dr convertible
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Originally Posted by bret a ewing
You bet, I have all kinds of car crap signed by him, just had to either make a donation to his charity or buy a car. That should slow down soon...............
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Robo signing is now taking place, duly authorized by the estate of C.S. 
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08-17-2013, 04:25 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Pottstown (East Coventry),
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Cobra Make, Engine: Don't think I'll be getting a Cobra for a long time... Do have '94 RX-7 R2.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmustang
Robo signing is now taking place, duly authorized by the estate of C.S. |
Bill, have you considered starting a registry for CS signatures? That way we can keep track of "original" versus "continuation" signatures. 
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08-19-2013, 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by mrmustang
Robo signing is now taking place, duly authorized by the estate of C.S. |
Yep, I believe you and I discussed this over beer................Gary Patterson told me the electronic version of the signature will not have Carroll's 2 // marks through the horizontal bar under his signature.
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08-19-2013, 09:42 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bret a ewing
Yep, I believe you and I discussed this over beer................Gary Patterson told me the electronic version of the signature will not have Carroll's 2 // marks through the horizontal bar under his signature.
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...an easy fix. 
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08-19-2013, 11:32 AM
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Cobra Make, Engine: Kirkham #684, 482FE, Mike Mccluskey build
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...an easy fix. |
Funny 
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08-16-2013, 02:28 PM
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CSX4308 just listed for sale at $175,000, but was finished by Kirkham:
Here's An Interesting CSX4000 (or is it)?
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08-16-2013, 04:06 PM
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Why is it that every time some one mentions a Shelby CSX car it degenerates into this same topic? I started reading about a price increase and once again it's back to the same old and tired run on with the same people saying the same things and adding nothing new.
About the price increase: The price of a finished roller was at one time tracking very well to the price of a Ford GT. But today a low miles Heritage sold for 377500, so now the GT has been redefined once again. People are now paying 30K more for a red car than I paid for my heritage in the fall of 2011. If you're going to buy another GT, buy it now or wait for the GT market to crash. I suspect if you do the latter you'll wait for a long time and you won't see the prices from two years ago.
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08-16-2013, 04:12 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by twobjshelbys
Why is it that every time some one mentions a Shelby CSX car it degenerates into this same topic? I started reading about a price increase and once again it's back to the same old and tired run on with the same people saying the same things and adding nothing new.
About the price increase: The price of a finished roller was at one time tracking very well to the price of a Ford GT. But today a low miles Heritage sold for 377500, so now the GT has been redefined once again. People are now paying 30K more for a red car than I paid for my heritage in the fall of 2011. If you're going to buy another GT, buy it now or wait for the GT market to crash. I suspect if you do the latter you'll wait for a long time and you won't see the prices from two years ago.
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Kinda like the housing market... 
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08-16-2013, 04:37 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by twobjshelbys
Why is it that every time some one mentions a Shelby CSX car it degenerates into this same topic? I started reading about a price increase and once again it's back to the same old and tired run on with the same people saying the same things and adding nothing new.
About the price increase: The price of a finished roller was at one time tracking very well to the price of a Ford GT. But today a low miles Heritage sold for 377500, so now the GT has been redefined once again. People are now paying 30K more for a red car than I paid for my heritage in the fall of 2011. If you're going to buy another GT, buy it now or wait for the GT market to crash. I suspect if you do the latter you'll wait for a long time and you won't see the prices from two years ago.
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There's always information, discussion, arguments, etc. that is repeated on every forum.
As an example, I know you own a FGT, which has been posted by you more than once. 
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08-16-2013, 08:42 PM
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Standard supply / demand scenario.
Shelby will keep on asking that price as long as someone will pay it. If there is a waiting list for them and they have buyers, they will keep making them and selling them for that price and above if they can.
Fairly simple actually.
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08-18-2013, 07:28 AM
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I'm a bit naive to all of this "mines Real yours is not"..... 
But in Australia we call it a pissing competition - who can piss the further or the highest.
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08-18-2013, 09:21 AM
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I'm a bit naive to all of this "mines Real yours is not".....
But in Australia we call it a pissing competition - who can piss the further or the highest. |
And in this case, the pissing is upwind.
But it's all a lot of fun. The arguments going around in circles year after year. Evan desperately hanging onto the registry while ignoring a federal judge's ruling; which called the continuation cobras 'replicas' and 'kits'. Others bringing up the original vs real vs replica over and over. It would be great if we could all meet in a bar somewhere and have this discussion live with lots of beer, whiskey, and peanuts.
Last edited by Paul F; 08-18-2013 at 09:53 AM..
Reason: fix sentence structure
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08-18-2013, 12:18 PM
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Paul, all you would get the next day is arguing with a hangover. 
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08-18-2013, 12:45 PM
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Paul, all you would get the next day is arguing with a hangover. |
Yup!
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