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OnyxRider 06-11-2014 02:32 PM
....on anther note..

For that Chevy powered cobra thread.


1965 Shelby Kirkham Cobra 427 - California

REAL 1 06-11-2014 02:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RodKnock (Post 1305615)
"Interest" expressed a decade ago and an appraisal = Data? Most of us here know that "interest" and appraisals are worthless. I know the appraisal process very well (businesses, real estate, cars, etc.) as I'm sure you do. Educated guesses performed by uneducated people.

All I'm asking for is published sales where money actually moved between two unrelated entities or people. Everything else is pure nonsense in my part of the universe. I'll keep scouring my auction magazine (Sports Car Market) each month and will let you know when one does sell for $200K+.

There's a brand new alloy CSX4000 sitting at Hillbank for $199,000. Make them an offer, buy it, and then flip it for a profit. You could make a profit of 10-20%, which when annualized is an outstanding ROI.
What I have is a detailed build sheet from HRE showing the cost to clone my car in detail. Not an estimate. That's what it would cost. It's more than just an appraisal. It tells me what it would cost me to do it all over again today. Being that finding aluminum Shelbys for sale are difficult, in fact dealers have advertised to buy them and there is a 2 year wait.....supply and demand

Keep waxing on about sales etc...I know what I was offered. I know what I turned down. don't need to prove to anyone. Ripley's Believe it or not.

Twoshelbys: You nailed it. World largest unbiased Cobra site. :rolleyes::LOL:

Jamo 06-11-2014 02:47 PM
Damn Onyx, THAT would make for a great tow vehicle with some sway controls (tail wagging dog). ;)

dos shelbys...got something against donkey balls? :p

mullen2 06-11-2014 02:52 PM
I own one of the early CSX1000 cars where the body was hand hammered by AC on some of the original wooden bucks before the deal between Shelby and AC fell apart. The cars were shipped to Shelby from england to be finished. Took way more than two years from the time the cars were ordered. I think only the first 14 of the 1000 series had hand hammered aluminum bodes by AC.

I paid well north of 300K for my car because of its rarity and quality. Also because Carroll was directly involved with making the 1000 cars happen, keeping them true to the original heritage even wearing AC Cobra badging on the nose.

In my opinion, the Aluminum 4000 cars built in the living years are approaching the 200K mark, maybe not yet but soon.

RodKnock 06-11-2014 02:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by REAL 1 (Post 1305619)
What I have is a detailed build sheet from HRE showing the cost to clone my car in detail. Not an estimate. That's what it would cost. It's more than just an appraisal. It tells me what it would cost me to do it all over again today. Being that finding aluminum Shelbys for sale are difficult, in fact dealers have advertised to buy them and there is a 2 year wait.....supply and demand

Keep waxing on about sales etc...I know what I was offered. I know what I turned down. don't need to prove to anyone. Ripley's Believe it or not.

Twoshelbys: You nailed it. World largest unbiased Cobra site. :rolleyes::LOL:
And a clone of my Kirkham WOULD be $175,000. Does any one want to pay that right now?

Just like you, I'll keep repeating myself. Hillbank has a brand new completed CSX4000 for $199,000. No wait. (They should pay me a marketing fee). Buy it and flip it for a quick profit. Do it quickly before the secret is out. :LOL:

I'll keep "waxing on" about sales, because, for example, when you buy a home, your realtor should be showing you actual sales data about comparable homes in the neighborhood before making an offer. I hope folks aren't buying homes based upon Ethyl's words, paper and/or computer algorithms.

twobjshelbys 06-11-2014 03:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mullen2 (Post 1305623)
I own one of the early CSX1000 cars where the body was hand hammered by AC on some of the original wooden bucks before the deal between Shelby and AC fell apart. The cars were shipped to Shelby from england to be finished. Took way more than two years from the time the cars were ordered. I think only the first 14 of the 1000 series had hand hammered aluminum bodes by AC.

I paid well north of 300K for my car because of its rarity and quality. Also because Carroll was directly involved with making the 1000 cars happen, keeping them true to the original heritage even wearing AC Cobra badging on the nose.

In my opinion, the Aluminum 4000 cars built in the living years are approaching the 200K mark, maybe not yet but soon.
I think you do have one of the very special continuation cars (1000 series) that can claim to be be the second closest relatives to the originals (I consider the McCluskeys to be first), and I think they are in a class all by them selves. I saw one of them being delivered to SAI when they were up at the race track and it was simply gorgeous seeing this filed aluminum body on the open truck (presumably from a railyard). Then talked about the remaining transformation to bring it to finished roller. It's a lot of work!

OnyxRider 06-11-2014 03:11 PM
What do you think 1001 is worth?

That's the one that was a childrens raffle charity, I believe.

CSX 1001

twobjshelbys 06-11-2014 03:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by OnyxRider (Post 1305629)
What do you think 1001 is worth?

That's the one that was a childrens raffle charity, I believe.

CSX 1001
The winner sold it but that was a while ago... They don't change hands very often (at least with the trade being of public record) so using comps to set value will be difficult.

mullen2 06-11-2014 03:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by OnyxRider (Post 1305629)
What do you think 1001 is worth?

That's the one that was a childrens raffle charity, I believe.

CSX 1001
Not sure, It sold at auction back in 2011 for 335,500.

I would be more than willing to open the bid at 400K today...

rodneym 06-11-2014 03:24 PM
mullen2,
Thanks for posting.
Sometimes we're the only ones talking here so we think we're the be all, end all.
I used to think that until I expanded my 'Cobra orbit' when I moved to LA.
My wife's friend's husband (whose been at McCluskey since Dolphin shorts), has shown me another side to high end replicas, Completion Cobras, originals, etc.
People would be surprised to know what a Kirkham dressed to the 9's really goes for, or who the premier engine builder for originals is, or how 'that guy' got his friend an incredible deal on an original and restored it, for cheaper than the CC brain trust would believe.
Published numbers are for everybody. Lots and lots of guys deal in originals as well as high end replicas 'behind the scenes'.
$200k for an ally Shelby done well? Abosolutely. Very close to that for a KMP.
mullen, please post pics of that baby!

OnyxRider 06-11-2014 03:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by rodneym (Post 1305633)
Published numbers are for everybody. Lots and lots of guys deal in originals as well as high end replicas 'behind the scenes'.

You would be surprised at what goes on behind the scenes. lol I usually know what's going on with a few models like Ferrari GTO's and McLaren F1's. Less of them around then Cobras. lol In fact I'm one of the go to guys for F1's since I pulled one out of Brunei along with 6 others from the royal family years ago. The F1 registry is the only registry that I help out on when I have the time.

Would have been nice to be part of the Tuscany tour.

http://www.mclf1.com/


Not sure when 18 f'1 will be in the same place again.




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stephen_becker 06-11-2014 03:56 PM
In the beginning Carroll Shelby created the Shelby Cobra automobile - after that it becomes a bit "fuzzy"………….

stephen_becker 06-11-2014 03:58 PM
now I'm gonna get flamed in 3……2……..1……..

stephen_becker 06-11-2014 04:00 PM
see that? - I even had to edit myself on my (prior) Genesis funny post - dang, I am getting good at this!!!

RodKnock 06-11-2014 04:02 PM
Rumor has it that Larry Ellison paid $1,000,000 for his Billet Kirkham, or did he? What was the final price? What is it worth to the next owner?

Supposition, conjecture, hearsay, internet banter, etc. I'm very happy for this "underground" economy.

I paid $30,000, or maybe, it was $40,000 for my "hot rod shaped like a Nissan." I forget what I had for breakfast. I'm so old. :LOL:

Al G 06-11-2014 04:29 PM
Some people think I paid too much for my Cobra. I think some of them paid too much for their watch. My Timex is just fine. But in the end, we spent our own money and got what was important to us. Why do we have to argue about that?

razerwire 06-11-2014 05:51 PM
Here's a picture of two factory approved full competition cars, csx 4163 and csx 1003 at SAC 35. I can only speak for myself, but I believe you won't see these cars sell below 200 thousand. I don't know if any of the other competition cars have sold, but I doubt they would sell below 200 thousand either.


http://imgur.com/8rXU6Iw

REAL 1 06-11-2014 06:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mullen2 (Post 1305623)
I own one of the early CSX1000 cars where the body was hand hammered by AC on some of the original wooden bucks before the deal between Shelby and AC fell apart. The cars were shipped to Shelby from england to be finished. Took way more than two years from the time the cars were ordered. I think only the first 14 of the 1000 series had hand hammered aluminum bodes by AC.

I paid well north of 300K for my car because of its rarity and quality. Also because Carroll was directly involved with making the 1000 cars happen, keeping them true to the original heritage even wearing AC Cobra badging on the nose.

In my opinion, the Aluminum 4000 cars built in the living years are approaching the 200K mark, maybe not yet but soon.
Your car is a rare Continuation Cobra for sure. The peanut gallery here is what it is. I agree that the early alloy Continuation Cobras and others special Shelby's will bring a premium especially in the future if the hobby endures. The early cars had many details the current ones do not have along with being at SAI when CS was there and very much involved.

Rocknock: it matters not a wit to me whether you believe me or not. Many factors and information suppied here by others support increasing values on alloy Shelby Cobras and my own experience bears this out to me. You not so much. I get it.

Hydramada 06-11-2014 06:50 PM
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-L0K_7Db3At.../DeadHorse.jpg

RodKnock 06-11-2014 08:10 PM
Evan: Likewise. What you say in this subject area matters not to me either.

The upside of this thread has been the Mullen2 came out of the shadows and joined us with his CSX1000 car.


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