Replica or a modern reproduction?

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Originally Posted by Ralphy

Damn it again! lol

I have a SAAC Atlanta 20 year poster. It says something like PROTECING SA and it's history. Now it doesen't say promoting, preserving or some more friendly word than protecting.

Now jump forward and read a blurb. Nowhere is KIT CAR used! Do a search.
:: SAAC ::




Ralphy/AKA 7th Degree Poser

Ralphy: You truly are struggling with this. This is not rocket science.,

Here's what SAAC is saying:

"So, to our way of think We now find that as the value of Cobras and Shelbys continues to appreciate, the cars have been priced beyond the means of some people who still want to be SAAC members. These people have opted to own Cobra replicas, Shelby look-alikes and other Ford performance cars of which there is presently no shortage. The national club is happy to have these people as participating members, and they add a lot to the club. We like to think of them as potential Cobra or Shelby owners. However, they should not expect that we will suddenly change the club’s policy to include cars outside of our purview as equal partners to Cobras and Shelbys.

As far as CSX4000 and CSX7000 cars are concerned, SAAC accepts these cars as genuine Shelby American Cobras (as opposed to "original" Shelby American Cobras). The definition we use to identify an original Cobra is one which was, 1) built between 1961 and 1968, 2) at the direction of and under contract from Carroll Shelby/Shelby American Inc., and 3) sold by Shelby American or one of its franchised dealers. The only difference between original Cobras and CSX4000 and CSX7000 cars is the time frame in which they were built (1). However, all three factors separate Shelby’s current cars from all the rest of the Cobra replicas, AC MK IVs, COB/COX continuation cars, etc. So, to our way of thinking, the current crop of Cobras are genuine but are not original."




Ralphy, you need to stop injecting your own spin to what SAAC said. The link you posted explains their position most clearly and succinctly. Not hard to understand. They did not add "Also not Real" you did. How did you calculate
7th degree? I know how you figure the poser part but how did you come up with 7th degree or is that number like the rest of what you been saying, just pulled out of arse?

Just get me the calculation. Thanks.


Cheers.

[jhv48]

"Since it is written, it therefore must be true!"

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Originally Posted by jhv48

"Since it is written, it therefore must be true!"

You of course have the right to live in your own private little world and belief in your own opinions as preeminent.

I'll ascribe to SAAC's view. I believe it's the their view has just slightly more gravitas then yours. Just MHO.

Dimis: Things really must be upside down in your part of the world. All that blood rushing to your head.

I ascribe to SAAC's view. I can't worry about what every "poor sod" may be thinking or understands. I answer the question truthfully and factually correct. If they inquire further and I have the time I am more then happy to discuss my Shelby Cobra with anyone willing to listen.

What I say is clearly truthful and more accurate then those who don't own a Cobra original or current production answering for instance "FFR Cobra", Spf Cobra, Backdraft Cobra, ERA Cobra etc. etc...None of the forgoing are Cobras and this answer gives poor sod you refer the wrong impression it is what it clearly is not even close too.

You know its funny you said what you said as I'm not surprised you passed on the opportunity to own a Continuation Cobra based on your reasoning skills and "debating skills" although you were at a disadvantage since the truth and facts are on my side.

Cheers.

P.S. Is your "polish thing" a Kirkham if you know?

[Nedsel]

Something no one has yet thrown into the equation is the fact that when the 2008 Registry was published, SAAC was going through a difficult time with Shelby, the man. Back then, he was threatening to shut down the club if it didn't jump through various hoops for him. These included the removal of some of the officers for unspecified offenses, as well as the demand that SAAC send him literally all of their historical documents - those he had given the club, as well as those the club and its registrars had managed to locate on their own - so that he and his new company could take over management and publication of the registry. It was clear that this was simply a marketing gambit, and that the Cobra's history could likely be adjusted or embellished in order to sell more new cars. Hence SAAC stood its ground and, while the club accepted certain compromises, flatly refused to relinquish the registry. Now that Shelby is no longer with us, it will be interesting to see how the next registry handles its description of the modern Cobras being built by Shelby's surviving entities.

[OnyxRider]

Originally Posted by Nedsel

so that he and his new company could take over management and publication of the registry. It was clear that this was simply a marketing gambit, and that the Cobra's history could likely be adjusted or embellished in order to sell more new cars. Hence SAAC stood its ground and, while the club accepted certain compromises, flatly refused to relinquish the registry. Now that Shelby is no longer with us, it will be interesting to see how the next registry handles its description of the modern Cobras being built by Shelby's surviving entities.

What compromises were made? I remember Shelby wanted all the financials and the kitchen sink too?

Shelby's press release.....


Carroll Shelby's press release

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Originally Posted by Nedsel

Something no one has yet thrown into the equation is the fact that when the 2008 Registry was published, SAAC was going through a difficult time with Shelby, the man. Back then, he was threatening to shut down the club if it didn't jump through various hoops for him. These included the removal of some of the officers for unspecified offenses, as well as the demand that SAAC send him literally all of their historical documents - those he had given the club, as well as those the club and its registrars had managed to locate on their own - so that he and his new company could take over management and publication of the registry. It was clear that this was simply a marketing gambit, and that the Cobra's history could likely be adjusted or embellished in order to sell more new cars. Hence SAAC stood its ground and, while the club accepted certain compromises, flatly refused to relinquish the registry. Now that Shelby is no longer with us, it will be interesting to see how the next registry handles its description of the modern Cobras being built by Shelby's surviving entities.

I think SAAC's analysis of the current production Cobras is dead on correct and well thought out and very fair. Consistency is the key to credibility. As to the Surviving entities after DOD for Shelby American I don't see why the vehicles produced after DOD for Carroll would be treated any differently than those produced before. Ferraris built after Enzo died are still Ferraris.

The fact remains, current production Cobras are and will always be undeniably Shelby Cobras legally and factually.

Just my 2 cents.