Replica or a modern reproduction?

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by Nedsel

I wonder if that might be due to the fact that the small-block cars were always called "AC Cobras" and Shelby had to beat journalists over the head to make them refer to the big-block cars as "Shelby Cobras." In neither case did Shelby build the cars, hence he was not the manufacturer of them. He simply supplied badges while Ford supplied the drivetrains. Pure and simple truth.

Really? Didn't need Phil Remington to put badges on. Come on Ned. Really. Thats just not true. AC Ltd supplied chassis and body, Shelby provided and installed drive train and completed the cars for delivery. Plain and simple truth. The Cobra was conceived and developed and refined by Shelby. It bore no resemblance to the AC Ace when Shelby was done. Are you saying the Cobras Shelby completed were sold and invoiced to dealers and customers as AC's and sold as AC's? Really? Wheres proof of that.

My understanding is that the vast majority of 289s were sold as Shelby Cobras. Is this not the case?

[LMH]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Really? Didn't need Phil Remington to put badges on. Come on Ned. Really. Thats just not true. AC Ltd supplied chassis and body, Shelby provided and installed drive train and completed the cars for delivery. Plain and simple truth. The Cobra was conceived and developed and refined by Shelby. It bore no resemblance to the AC Ace when Shelby was done. Are you saying the Cobras Shelby completed were sold and invoiced to dealers and customers as AC's and sold as AC's? Really? Wheres proof of that.

My understanding is that the vast majority of 289s were sold as Shelby Cobras. Is this not the case?

AC supplied a lot more than just body and chassis. It was a complete car, minus engine and transmission. It didn't make sense to send the drive unit to England only to return it to the states.
AC had completed the run of Bristol engine cars and was building the RS2.6 when Shelby came into the picture. Ford was already involved with AC for the project. Shelby didn't design the Cobra and you can see clearly where it's design came from. The final RS2.6's were completed while the first Cobra's were being built.
Larry

[ERA2076]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

ERA2076: Your answer is totally fallacious and patently false to the average Joe when you tell them that it's a Cobra as opposed to a "Cobra replica" but hey if your cool with that keep doing it if in your own mind it really is a Cobra. Have you met buddy g?

First - let me say I mean no disrespect to anyone here, it really is just chatter.

Come on now - anyone that knows Cobras can tell immediately mine is a replica - he does not need me educate him. We are both aware of Cobra history and he either accepts replicas or he does not and he is not going to be-little me because of it. If he is really religious about it, he is not gong to talk to me or look at my car.

If someone asks 'is it a Cobra" I say yes it is a Cobra. If they persuit, depending on their apparent knowledge, I discuss my car with them, the fact it is a replica and who built it. There are lots of non-Cobra people out there who identify with the cars, don't know all the details, and it is ridiculous to feel like you have to try to explain anything to someone that does not know just to increase your chances of going to heaven. It is just silly.

With 7.5 billion people in the world it is statistically a nats ass that knows anything about these cars and a pimple on the nats ass for the amount of originals compared to 7.5b.

Is it a Cobra - classifies a virgin
Is it real (original) - classifies an illiterate who has lost their virginity

An Enthusiast would ask neither. He might make POS references, but that just save lots of time.

So are you worried I am violating virgins because nothing could be further from the truth - I love virgins

ERA has been building Cobras since 1981 (?) It seems like I remember reading someone started building kits in the 70's. When did Ford and Shelby come to an agreement?

Cobras are kit cars made race cars and always have been. Shelby and Ford kicked them to the curb and they took on a life of their own without him.

It is rather amusing how many car sellers put them on the market as Shelby Cobras - that is BS. They should be listed with OEM and Shelbys name should be nowhere to be found because they are not Shelby Cobras.

They are however - Cobras

chr

[A-Snake]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

My understanding is that the vast majority of 289s were sold as Shelby Cobras. Is this not the case?

The vast majority of 289 Cobras were invoiced as "Cobra-Ford." Only about 9% used the term "Shelby AC Cobra", and that term was mostly used on the early 260 and worm & sector cars.
As for the 427/428 cars, I find only four examples that used the word "Shelby" in the description on the invoice.

The information is in the footnotes in the Registry.