Carroll Shelby and the "left over frames" saga?

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by Al G

Believing that is one of your mistakes.

Ditto!

[AL427SBF]

Originally Posted by lnfletcher

Here he goes again, tweaking the cobra guys!
NYG Cobra Make descriptions tells it all.

nyg has the buffoonery gig down pretty good, it's entertainment so don't knock it, think about how boring school would have been without the class clown

buf·foon·er·y
noun
behavior that is ridiculous but amusing.

[razerwire]

nyg has the buffoonery gig down pretty good, its entertainment? Goes beyond that. He knew answer before he asked, he used words like "found" "original" "reproduced" in question to draw others into his cyber Bullying. Cyber bullying refers to any harassment that occurs via the internet, cell phone, or other devices. Communication technology is used to intentionally harm others through hostile behavior such as sending text messages and posting ugly comments on the internet to hurt or embarrass another person. Cyber-bullying could be limited to posting rumors or gossips about a person in the internet bringing about hatred in other's minds; or it may go to the extent of personally identifying victims and publishing materials severely defaming and humiliating them. This site could be involved in a lawsuit such has happened to other forums. I would remove this whole post because its not "entertaining".

[hinoonaz]

I noticed an Lone Star entry from SAAAC. No noun calling, just curious as to what type of Cobra, GT40 or ?. txs

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by hinoonaz

I noticed an Lone Star entry from SAAAC. No noun calling, just curious as to what type of Cobra, GT40 or ?. txs

That must be a mistake, because there are no entries in the SAAC Registry for replicas made by Lone Star.

Bret, Kirkham Cobras are listed in the Registry and maybe that's why the Kirkham name was mentioned.

I do find that NYG's introduction to Mr. Shelby and Cobra's was via the Eleanor Mustang ironic, since SAAC not only will not recognize them due to their lack of Shelby heritage, but even the SAAC membership mocks them and finds them contemptible.

[bret a ewing]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

............Bret, Kirkham Cobras are listed in the Registry and maybe that's why the Kirkham name was mentioned.............

Yes they are, I've purchased one new from the brothers.


My point is, including the Kirkhams in the same jaded storyline as the "Completion Cobras" is inconsiderate and possibly confusing to the folks unaware of the event.

From what I gather from his prior thread, the OP is an inteligent individual.
Research on this subject is simple and the information extensive.
A minimal amount of due diligence would have gone far in the effort to
start the thread on the right track. On the outset this looked to be more of a forum-bomb than an innocent history question.
............and of course all the above is IMHO.

[Mike I]

I vaguely remember reading several magazine articles back in the 90's highlighting a heated dispute between Shelby and Brian Angliss who was running Autokraft at the time. Angliss was very critical of Shelby's claims about "left over" chassis from AC cars. He said AC never produced or shipped bare chassis's to the US.

Angliss was apparently in possession of the original handwritten chronologic AC records outlining all mfg and shipment dates for cobras destined for the US.

Seemed to be some very bad blood between the two. Never was clear to me if something else precipitated the hard feelings, or just the alledged "fraudulent" claims by Shelby.

I'm sure I still have the old magazines with the articles, maybe I'll dig through them...

[NewYorkGuy]

Originally Posted by razerwire

nyg has the buffoonery gig down pretty good, its entertainment? Goes beyond that. He knew answer before he asked, he used words like "found" "original" "reproduced" in question to draw others into his cyber Bullying. Cyber bullying refers to any harassment that occurs via the internet, cell phone, or other devices. Communication technology is used to intentionally harm others through hostile behavior such as sending text messages and posting ugly comments on the internet to hurt or embarrass another person. Cyber-bullying could be limited to posting rumors or gossips about a person in the internet bringing about hatred in other's minds; or it may go to the extent of personally identifying victims and publishing materials severely defaming and humiliating them. This site could be involved in a lawsuit such has happened to other forums. I would remove this whole post because its not "entertaining".

cyber bullying? lol. U can click ignore.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by NewYorkGuy

cyber bullying? lol. U can click ignore.

Well, your 1st couple or few weeks on CC have definitely been entertaining. Some may label you as a bully or troll. I think you're attempting to gain some knowledge and be a good citizen.

However, just a few of your "highlights" that I can remember have been calling our Cobras "fakes" or "hot rods shaped like Cobra's", owners have "stigmas" in our minds because we own a fake, Cobra's smell like a chimney's, the suburbs are bad, maybe because you live in big NYC, the Cobra's future will be in the "junkyard," or telling folks their Cobras are junk because they didn't spend $100,000-$200,000 on a Kirkham or Shelby, etc., etc.

Some folks may take offense to it and maybe prefer not to click ignore. Rather they would prefer you go away. I'd file you under "entertaining."

Certainly installing a Cadillac CTS-V (or whatever) in a replica or "Have you vinyl wrapped your fake?" are always good for a laugh from me at least.

[NewYorkGuy]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Well, your 1st couple or few weeks on CC have definitely been entertaining. Some may label you as a bully or troll. I think you're attempting to gain some knowledge and be a good citizen.

However, just a few of your "highlights" that I can remember have been calling our Cobras "fakes" or "hot rods shaped like Cobra's", owners have "stigmas" in our minds because we own a fake, Cobra's smell like a chimney's, the suburbs are bad, maybe because you live in big NYC, the Cobra's future will be in the "junkyard," or telling folks their Cobras are junk because they didn't spend $100,000-$200,000 on a Kirkham or Shelby, etc., etc.

Some folks may take offense to it and maybe prefer not to click ignore. Rather they would prefer you go away. I'd file you under "entertaining."

Certainly installing a Cadillac CTS-V (or whatever) in a replica or "Have you vinyl wrapped your fake?" are always good for a laugh from me at least.

Where I live presently is not a big deal. I also live in LA and some weeks in Chi-town and Miami. Home is home.

They are all fakes unless u have the real thing and the best of the fakes are Kirks and CSX. I don't see many owners going from Kirkham to FFR, unless they hit a financial crisis or family divorce.

I am building a hot rod shaped like a Cobra and that is the true. It won't have any Cobra badges and I won't call it anything else but a hot rod, maybe a rat-rod with Mad Max touches.

Nothing wrong with a Chevy, Caddy or olsmobile engine in a hot rod. Paint? Why bother. Just vinyl wrap or plastic dip. It is just a toy.

[ACademic]

Originally Posted by NewYorkGuy

I am building a hot rod shaped like a Cobra...maybe a rat-rod with Mad Max touches.

This thread is about to achieve critical mass.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by NewYorkGuy

Paint? Why bother.

Well, if you had said "Beige Paint? Why bother." Then I'd totally agree with you.

For the record, and most people don't know this about my Cobra, my Kirkham isn't painted Chrome. It's actually polished aluminum. Keep that on the down low though.

BTW, San Francisco just called. Mayor Ed Lee is pissed that you don't own a place in The City.

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by razerwire

nyg has the buffoonery gig down pretty good, its entertainment? Goes beyond that. He knew answer before he asked, he used words like "found" "original" "reproduced" in question to draw others into his cyber Bullying. Cyber bullying refers to any harassment that occurs via the internet, cell phone, or other devices. Communication technology is used to intentionally harm others through hostile behavior such as sending text messages and posting ugly comments on the internet to hurt or embarrass another person. Cyber-bullying could be limited to posting rumors or gossips about a person in the internet bringing about hatred in other's minds; or it may go to the extent of personally identifying victims and publishing materials severely defaming and humiliating them. This site could be involved in a lawsuit such has happened to other forums. I would remove this whole post because its not "entertaining".

Maybe I missed something but it just Appeared to me like the man asked a simple question on events that are public. He didnt defame anyone. He asked a question. He said he read some on line article and had some questions. This site has NEVER been kind to Shelby, SAI, his charity, his current production Cobras etc..so what's the issue with the question. Some got their panties in a bunch because he mention Kirkham in his question? Christ. You referred him to an authoritative source. Let him read it. You can also simply correct him and answer his question and leave it at that.

So he's a techno geek that likes battery powered cars and prefers simulation to the real thing. Who cares. So he wants a car shaped like a Cobra with Madd Max touches. Who cares. Many of you have "replicas" with BMW suspension, 5.0 motors and other engine sizes that never saw a Cobra, Willwood brakes, square rail frames, double roll bars, Cammers, Chevy motors, 17" wheels, bucket seats, painted colors that were never on a Cobra etc. Etc. What makes your choice of replica build more legitimate as a replica or appropriate than his?

In fact the concern I have is are guys like him becoming the norm which would be the beginning of the end for Cobras and replicas.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Maybe I missed something...

Yes, you did. To get context, you have to read the bulk of his postings in the past few weeks. However, you two do have some common ground.

[bret a ewing]

NFYG..........be careful with implications tied to the Kirkhams, they are our friends.

[NewYorkGuy]

Originally Posted by bret a ewing

NFYG..........be careful with implications tied to the Kirkhams, they are our friends.

No, I am not.

I read an article that the Kirkhams supplied the alum bodies to these 'continutation' chassis.

http://automotivethinker.com/general...at-89-so-what/

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by NewYorkGuy

I read an article that the Kirkhams supplied the alum bodies to these 'continutation' chassis.

Just to clarify the entire mess of the OP.

Yes, Kirkham does supply the aluminum bodies to Shelby for their continuation series (CSX4000/6000) and has for many years (mid-2000's approximately). But Kirkham isn't connected to the aluminum bodies used for Shelby's "Completion" Cobra's (CSX3000's) built in the 1990's, the subject of the OP.

[AL427SBF]

razerwire, that's a little over the top. If you take what nyg has to say that seriously, then you are too sensitive to his "opinions" which is all they are. Most posts on this forum are just opinions. If something hits you sideways, you have the right to voice your opinion. The admins are doing a good job moderating this forum, anyone will get the boot or reprimanded if they step over the line. You need to weigh posts according to their content as well as credibility of the poster. If you can't do that, then I think any public forum where freedom of speech is valued will be a problem for you.

[dallas_]

Originally Posted by AL427SBF

You need to weigh posts according to their content as well as credibility of the poser.

Fixed it for ya.

[rodneym]

There's A LOT of BS buffoonery in these parts lately, as in trolling, dubious questions, etc. And not just from one person.

It reminds me of those "We never landed on the Moon" websites. You have idiots flaming, who have never taken a physics class, casting shadows on what they can't grasp or want to believe.

Most questions will be covered in the Registry. No, it's not 110% perfect but it's by far the standard, and it's a pretty cheap investment, too. What's time worth, anyway?

There are a few people here whose word is gospel, and they've been keeping a low profile in some of these threads...