Replica or real? [help request from Switzerland and Italy]

[Rick Parker]

I work with California vehicle titles daily. I believe this one to be false. It doesn't have the correct border, watermark or other distinguishing features. Be careful.
As far as the car it is primarily Kirkham.

[DavideG]

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[1ntCobra]

Originally Posted by Rick Parker

I work with California vehicle titles daily. I believe this one to be false. It doesn't have the correct border, watermark or other distinguishing features. Be careful.
As far as the car it is primarily Kirkham.

So 0469 is from 2006, but you have a non-correct looking title that says the car was titled in California in 1996, 10 years before it was manufactured. I bet Rick is right that the California title is fake.

[DavideG]

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[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by 1ntCobra

So 0469 is from 2006, but you have a non-correct looking title that says the car was titled in California in 1996, 10 years before it was manufactured. I bet Rick is right that the California title is fake.

Rick is right. The CA title is fake.

License Plate #2UHN4--?
The end of the "2" series license plates was reached in 1992 and the plate series changed over to 3AAA000. Maybe the '61 Bristol's license plate was 2UHN4--?

The VIN is LAC017? CA won't register/issue a VIN# that short. My CA VIN# uses the Kirkham issued chassis#, which is 11 characters. So, the VIN number should be at least 11 characters long, if not longer.

Registration issue date is 9/28/96. Registration expiration date is two weeks earlier on 9/14/96.

And the biggest clue that the title certificate is bogus? FEES PAID NONE. Come on, this is California. No business transacted at the DMV is free. Seriously?

[Paul F]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

...The VIN is LAC017? CA won't register/issue a VIN# that short. My CA VIN# uses the Kirkham issued chassis#, which is 11 characters. So, the VIN number should be at least 11 characters long, if not longer.

My VIN is only 9 characters.

Originally Posted by RodKnock

And the biggest clue that the title certificate is bogus? FEES PAID NONE. Come on, this is California. No business transacted at the DMV is free. Seriously?

SB100 is free. There are no charges at all when going for an SB100, which is not the same as going for a registration and SB100. My new title said No Fees when I got an SB100.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by Paul F

My VIN is only 9 characters.

I was told there's a minimum by the DMV and 11 characters worked in their computers. I highly doubt "LAC017" would pass muster at the DMV.

Not sure why yours would be 9, but the standard Kirkham chassis# is 11 characters.

Originally Posted by Paul F

SB100 is free. There are no charges at all when going for an SB100, which is not the same as going for a registration and SB100. My new title said No Fees when I got an SB100.

First, did you see this ""? Second, did I say anything about SB100 being free or not? While the SPCNS/SB100 process (visits to the CHP, BAR, B&L Inspection Station) may be free, titling, registration and taxes most certainly are NOT. Unless, you some how missed paying those taxes and fees. My title certificate states that I paid my fees and taxes. Lastly, the OP's registration didn't go through the SB100 process. Allegedly, it was titled in 1996 as a '61 Bristol. So, not sure what you're thinking there.

[joyridin']

Originally Posted by RodKnock

I was told there's a minimum by the DMV and 11 characters worked in their computers. I highly doubt "LAC017" would pass muster at the DMV.

Not sure why yours would be 9, but the standard Kirkham chassis# is 11 characters.



First, did you see this ""? Second, did I say anything about SB100 being free or not? While the SPCNS/SB100 process (visits to the CHP, BAR, B&L Inspection Station) may be free, titling, registration and taxes most certainly are NOT. Unless, you some how missed paying those taxes and fees. My title certificate states that I paid my fees and taxes. Lastly, the OP's registration didn't go through the SB100 process. Allegedly, it was titled in 1996 as a '61 Bristol. So, not sure what you're thinking there.

My California VIN is 9 digits long. Title date was 2000.

[1985 CCX]

Isn't CSX2000 the original
everything else a replica?

I think this car is real...............

[CSX4815]

Originally Posted by joyridin'

My California VIN is 9 digits long.

My VIN issued by CA CHP is 7... CSX4815

[Mark IV]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

The VIN is LAC017? CA won't register/issue a VIN# that short. My CA VIN# uses the Kirkham issued chassis#, which is 11 characters. So, the VIN number should be at least 11 characters long, if not longer.

So you can't register a 60's CSX car (CSXxxxx...7 characters)? Many cars had short VINs before the WMI 17 digit VIN became the rule in 1981.

And at one time NY couldn't handle a VIN over 15 digits! In the late 70s we sold Brougham motor homes that had an 18 digit VIN....NY could only put 15 on the registration. Solution? They took 3 digits off the end, the three unit number digits! Resulting in several units having the same title/registration VIN printed! Gotta love the DMV......................

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by Mark IV

So you can't register a 60's CSX car (CSXxxxx...7 characters)? Many cars had short VINs before the WMI 17 digit VIN became the rule in 1981.

And at one time NY couldn't handle a VIN over 15 digits! In the late 70s we sold Brougham motor homes that had an 18 digit VIN....NY could only put 15 on the registration. Solution? They took 3 digits off the end, the three unit number digits! Resulting in several units having the same title/registration VIN printed! Gotta love the DMV......................

Are we talking about an original 1960's era Cobra here? Uh, no. Obviously the OP's car is not a 1960's original CSX. I don't have any clue what happened at the DMV that long ago or how they're registered today in CA's computers.

So far, we have two CA owners of replicas built more recently that have 9 characters. Anyone with shorter VIN's? My DMV representative and her manager had some difficulty making mine (11 characters) work. And hadn't seen anything that short before.