Mystery solved. Shelby Trust to sell Real Cobras

[Dimis]

Originally Posted by David Kirkham

Bill's word is gold. I have done, and continue to do, large deals on nothing more than a phone call or a handshake.

I did this once, went in to bat for them too... Boy, was that an error in judgement on my part.

I trust though that your evaluation of character is better than mine.


Just a thought, borrowing from Evan's logic (If I may Evan) - If all these original NOS parts are bound to a 1967 Volkswagen beetle chassis, with a cobra body would they more, or less original?


Further, while we are on the subject of their name and place in history... Actively calling them CSX3000s seems almost purposefully misleading to me... and that leaves a distaste that has me cynical and skeptical about the entire project/operation, despite the cool factor of all those historic bits and pieces.

[fordracing65]

I think it's kind of funny they are calling these 3000 cars, too bad for the guys with 3000 cars already, just another way for Shelby to mess things all up...

[Bernica]

Originally Posted by fordracing65

I think it's kind of funny they are calling these 3000 cars, too bad for the guys with 3000 cars already, just another way for Shelby to mess things all up...

I guess just call them Shelby 3000* with the asteriscs

[REAL 1]

So SAAC has already accepted these cars into the Registry as 3000 series Cobras? We have SAAC members here and in fact..hmmm a moderator here is a SAAC official and concours judge and Ned is SAAC original Cobra Registrar. What say they about the "new" CSX 3000 series being placed in the Registrar as CSX 3000s? Someone must have the inside scoop. I think we already know where Ned stands. My guess is that this "competition" "completion"??? "CSX3000" series car will get a lot of push back from SAAC and the article may have spoken out of school or have relied on incorrect info.

While I agree with David you can't rely on the press to report accurately, and I can personally attest to that, Kirkham assembled the first car David is here and can tell us....

David, is the car built to comp specs or SC specs...which? We all know there are major differences. Is it that it was built to SC specs but its now called the "competition" series? That's makes sense. More confusion.

As to the MSO's. It's easy. If they are autopen and if its like any other color copy you should not be able to see pen impressions or see the signature through the reverse side. My MSO has an original signature. You can see it through the reverse side and see the pen impression marks.

Are they Continuation MSOs? Are they different. My MSO references the car as a 1965 also. Clearly incorrect.

Also if they are original signatures the signatures will vary from MSO to MSO. Can we see some samples? If they are all exactly, exactly alike its auto pen.

If I am buying one of these cars and I am told its an original signature on the MSO I will know the difference. We aren't all as stupid as they may think we are.

[Bernica]

So, as a true Comp Car, does it have the Holley carb with the LeMans bowls on it? Inquiring minds would want to know.

[1ntCobra]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

So SAAC has already accepted these cars into the Registry as 3000 series Cobras? We have SAAC members here and in fact..hmmm a moderator here is a SAAC official and concours judge and Ned is SAAC original Cobra Registrar. What say they about the "new" CSX 3000 series being placed in the Registrar as CSX 3000s? Someone must have the inside scoop. I think we already know where Ned stands. My guess is that this "competition" "completion"??? "CSX3000" series car will get a lot of push back from SAAC and the article may have spoken out of school or have relied on incorrect info.

While I agree with David you can't rely on the press to report accurately, and I can personally attest to that, Kirkham assembled the first car David is here and can tell us....

David, is the car built to comp specs or SC specs...which? We all know there are major differences. Is it that it was built to SC specs but its now called the "competition" series? That's makes sense. More confusion.

As to the MSO's. It's easy. If they are autopen and if its like any other color copy you should not be able to see pen impressions or see the signature through the reverse side. My MSO has an original signature. You can see it through the reverse side and see the pen impression marks.

Are they Continuation MSOs? Are they different. My MSO references the car as a 1965 also. Clearly incorrect.

Also if they are original signatures the signatures will vary from MSO to MSO. Can we see some samples? If they are all exactly, exactly alike its auto pen.

If I am buying one of these cars and I am told its an original signature on the MSO I will know the difference. We aren't all as stupid as they may think we are.

Decades ago when the completion cars were originally conceived, there were only 30 or 40 something MSOs for Shelby to sign. In that case I could imagine that they printed them all at once and Shelby could have signed them all in 10 minutes instead of taking the time to sign each one individually as the cars were completed. So it does not seem out of the question that the MSOs for these cars were not auto penned.

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by 1ntCobra

Decades ago when the completion cars were originally conceived, there were only 30 or 40 something MSOs for Shelby to sign. In that case I could imagine that they printed them all at once and Shelby could have signed them all in 10 minutes instead of taking the time to sign each one individually as the cars were completed. So it does not seem out of the question that the MSOs for these cars were not auto penned.

Regardless those were for different cars with "supposedly" original chassis he found out back. We all know how that ended.

So now they are using these MSOs with 3000 vin #s for new Continuation Chassis clad with a varying degree of original parts? Sheesh.

I doubt Carroll Shelby would approve of this latest "project". At least I would like to think he would not allow it. If he thought this was appropriate he could have done it while he was alive.

What they are calling these cars is just wrong. Very troubling to me.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

I doubt Carroll Shelby would approve of this latest "project". At least I would like to think he would not allow it. If he thought this was appropriate he could have done it while he was alive.

Well, that's not what the press release says:

"In 2014, the Carroll Shelby Trust followed Carroll’s wishes and undertook the job of gradually finishing the remainder of the 427 S/C Cobras."


It's time for "Weekend at Bernie's 2"

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

So SAAC has already accepted these cars into the Registry as 3000 series Cobras? We have SAAC members here and in fact..hmmm a moderator here is a SAAC official and concours judge and Ned is SAAC original Cobra Registrar. What say they about the "new" CSX 3000 series being placed in the Registrar as CSX 3000s? Someone must have the inside scoop. I think we already know where Ned stands. My guess is that this "competition" "completion"??? "CSX3000" series car will get a lot of push back from SAAC and the article may have spoken out of school or have relied on incorrect info.

Who came up with the moniker "Continuation"? Wasn't it Shelby?

Ultimately, SAAC catalogs what Shelby (and Kirkham) produces. I'm sure, these "Resurrection" Cobras will have a separate chapter in the next World Registry with their CSX3000 designation.

For the record, being a SAAC member, I also disagree with the designation of CSX3000 for these new CSX3000's. In my mind, my position stands: it's a replica being built by Shelby. It's not the same company, not the same employees, not the same era and not the same materials.

[Bernica]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Who came up with the moniker "Continuation"? Wasn't it Shelby?

Ultimately, SAAC catalogs what Shelby (and Kirkham) produces. I'm sure, these "Resurrection" Cobras will have a separate chapter in the next World Registry with their CSX3000 designation.

For the record, being a SAAC member, I also disagree with the designation of CSX3000 for these new CSX3000's. In my mind, my position stands: it's a replica being built by Shelby. It's not the same company, not the same employees, not the same era and not the same materials.

Like I said in previous post on this thread, I am pretty sure SAAC and the next Registry will have a separate chapter about these cars in the next edition. They will have to...

[DanEC]

Gawd - I've had enough trouble understanding all the different series of Shelby cars over the years, 2000, 3000, 4000, 6000, export, import, continuation, fiberglass, aluminum, South Africa, Kirkham, Poland, Mike McClusky - this all makes my head hurt. Now there are 3000* series cars??

I live on a small lake with a lot of rather promiscous ducks running all around in heat laying eggs everywhere. Kind of reminds me of the hatchlings - whose your daddy? For that matter, whose your mother?