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Old 05-22-2015, 02:56 PM
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For a cool 1/2 million bucks you get a car that CAN NOT EVER be legally licensed and/or driven on any public road IN ALL 50 STATES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dats expensive art!!!!!!

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It turns out that is likely not true. It is true 100% in CA . The MSO contains no restrictions. When I asked about it it was more of a free form discussion than an answer, but the best summary I can give is that CA was an absolute NO but there was no claim of an absolute YES in other places.

So to follow the progressions, other jurisdictions may not have the restriction that CA places on the power train/vehicle assembly. Others besides CA do as well. However, said vehicle will also likely never be licensable in those places that do place restrictions. That was as far as I went since I could sense it was sensitive topic. I'll wager with pretty high odds that vehicles will find their way on the streets in some places. I can pretty much guess at places I wouldn't even try and I can also guess a few places where you might have a shot. But if you want a guarantee, buy a muffler.
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Old 05-22-2015, 03:10 PM
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It turns out that is likely not true. It is true 100% in CA. Other jurisdictions may not have the restriction that CA places on the power train/vehicle assembly. Others besides CA do as well. However, said vehicle will also likely never be licensable in those places that do place restrictions. That was as far as we could go. There are NO stated restrictions on the MSO. I'll wager with pretty high odds that vehicles will find their way on the streets.
Then somehow, they'll have to navigate around the Federal laws regarding the sales of completed cars that do not meet 2015 emission and safety standards. I can't wait to see that and I sure hope the first owner to register his or her Resurrection Cobra will it post it here.

Of course, we're just speculating. The press release states they cannot be registered for street use. Let's see what happens. I'm sure the authorities will be watching closely.
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Then somehow, they'll have to navigate around the Federal laws regarding the sales of completed cars that do not meet 2015 emission and safety standards. I can't wait to see that and I sure hope the first owner to register his or her Resurrection Cobra will it post it here.

Of course, we're just speculating. The press release states they cannot be registered for street use. Let's see what happens. I'm sure the authorities will be watching closely.
Note I edited my original post after you were probably composing your quoted reply to try to clarify what I was saying.

You betcha places are watching. I'll guarantee you CA will have a BLACKLIST.
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Editing the original to try to make it clearer:

It turns out that is likely not true. It is true 100% in CA . The MSO contains no restrictions. When I asked about it it was more of a free form discussion than an answer, but the best summary I can give is that CA was an absolute NO but there was no claim of an absolute YES in other places.

So to follow the progressions, other jurisdictions may not have the restriction that CA places on the power train/vehicle assembly. Others besides CA do as well. However, said vehicle will also likely never be licensable in those places that do place restrictions. That was as far as I went since I could sense it was sensitive topic. I'll wager with pretty high odds that vehicles will find their way on the streets in some places. I can pretty much guess at places I wouldn't even try and I can also guess a few places where you might have a shot. But if you want a guarantee, buy a muffler.
The Shelby/Trust/Denbeste/Kirkham and Shelby/Trust/Denbeste/Serb operation is NOT for a "for private use" only type operation. They plan to build and sell 30-40 cars. That's a real manufacturing operation with Shelby, DenBeste, Kirkham and Serb being for-profit operations. And just because a non-profit trust happens to be the seller, that's not going to change the character of this manufacturing operation. Shelby/Trust/Denbeste/Kirkham/Serb is NOT the same thing as me, private Schmoe individual, hiring and contracting with an installer, say like Hall Fabrication. I chose Hall Fab in Benicia. ME. I purchased the engine and trans. Shelby/Trust/DenBeste are completely directing the purchasing and installation of the car and materials. The ultimate buyer has no say about the builder/installer. The buyer's only say is the options he or she wants. That sounds like Ford, Chevy and Chrysler to me.
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Editing the original to try to make it clearer:

It turns out that is likely not true. It is true 100% in CA . The MSO contains no restrictions. When I asked about it it was more of a free form discussion than an answer, but the best summary I can give is that CA was an absolute NO but there was no claim of an absolute YES in other places.

So to follow the progressions, other jurisdictions may not have the restriction that CA places on the power train/vehicle assembly. Others besides CA do as well. However, said vehicle will also likely never be licensable in those places that do place restrictions. That was as far as I went since I could sense it was sensitive topic. I'll wager with pretty high odds that vehicles will find their way on the streets in some places. I can pretty much guess at places I wouldn't even try and I can also guess a few places where you might have a shot. But if you want a guarantee, buy a muffler.
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Then somehow, they'll have to navigate around the Federal laws regarding the sales of completed cars that do not meet 2015 emission and safety standards. I can't wait to see that and I sure hope the first owner to register his or her Resurrection Cobra will it post it here.
Sorry to disagree with you on this one, but it is true,none of these cars will meet any kind of federal mandates on crash worthiness and emissions,so therefore they can not legally be licensed and driven on the road,yes,in all 50 states!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Will some slip thru the cracks at a local DMV office, yes likely,would I want to be caught driving one on the road,heck no.......

You can bet next months rent,all 50 states will be sent some kind of "memo" and if/when someone tries to license one, a red flag will appear on a computer screen somewhere....

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You can bet next months rent,all 50 states will be sent some kind of "memo" and if/when someone tries to license one, a red flag will appear on a computer screen somewhere....

David
Who's going to send that email?

And, do you think the geniuses at the DMV's will understand the significance and then react to it? For a total of 30 cars?

If the state doesn't already have laws in place forbidding this, to protect the public against all types of hazards, like CA does, I don't think any particular DMV is going to go the extra mile.
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