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Old 05-26-2015, 07:22 PM
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Yep, I think it's just you . So now you are allowing as how the parts exist, but you're insisting that they come here and disclose exactly what they have? What would entitle you or anyone to that information except the buyer of the vehicle?

They already told me they don't have enough parts to finish all cars exactly the same. Earlier ones will have more, later ones less. I think David said the same thing.

It seems that the vehicles are likely built to an order, so a "speculation" car seems unlikely. Should they build one I would agree that info should be part of the info in the For Sale package.

If you want to know write a check for 500K and get the build sheet for your car.

P.S. I can guarantee Shelby didn't know what he had. A friend of mine was responsible for building an inventory of his personal belongings and was working on it when I saw the material in the main facility in Gardena. There was stuff there that they just shook their heads at. A 60's something Lincoln that noone knew why it was there (they thought maybe CS stored it for someone and never got it back. It may have had a sentimental (to CS) but he never told anyone. CS's own Cobra was being worked on in a shop that was messier than mine. On the other hand, Cleo's side was spic-n-span
I never said there wasn't a stash of stuff that Shelby had. One of my issues with this project was whether they have done a master inventory from which build parts are drawn and whether the master inventory is certified by someone who is recognized in the industry as being original NOS parts.

It matters not a wit to me whether they do this or not. Moreover, this is not super secret stuff. We are not dealing with "trade secrets". A lot of people know what original parts a Cobra had. Why not pubish the list of their inventory from which these "CSX 3000's" are being built with and the particulars of their stash and who has certified to the genuineness of the parts? They are after all asking for 1/2 a million for each aren't they? That's a lot of hay.

Further, I would never pay $500,000.00 for a Continuation Cobra (which is what it really is) at this time merely because it is stuffed with a lot of NOS parts. The rolling chassis is $160K. Show me the value of the rest of the build in NOS or original parts putting it $250,000.00 above the best Continuation Shelby. I don't think they can because the real money on these cars is based on the canard and apocryphal fact that they belong to and are part of the CSX 3000 series as I understand what they are doing here. If I am wrong please enlighten us. I believe these cars will be scoffed at by owners of originals and continuation series alike as purporting to be something they are definitely not part of. I think they will not be well received by SAAC. Who knows how the next Registry will deal with these cars. This is my opinion of course.

Moreover, I may not even be able to drive the damn things.

My Shelby has plenty of NOS and original parts and it is not purporting to be anything other than what it is, a Continuation Shelby. Moreover, there are some NOS parts I'd rather not have. Why have a cast iron diff when you can have a nearly identical diff that is aluminum alloy and lighter and just as strong? Why would anyone want original Lucas wiring?!!!! OMG I like my electrics to work. Thanks. My nuts and bolts are fine. I don't need original nuts and bolts. Why do I need a copper radiator when an Aluminum Fluidyne is much lighter and cools just as well if not better. Again, the early Shelby Aluminum Continuation Cobras had a lot of the stuff on David's list.

Now give me an original chassis that was never used with an original CSX 3000 stamping on it and I'll be willing to spend $500,000.00 for that car even with repro parts built to original spec.

Finally, I think you are selling Ol' Shel short. I think he was a lot smarter and knew more than you are giving him credit for.
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Old 05-26-2015, 09:37 PM
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Further, I would never pay $500,000.00 for a Continuation Cobra
I have extolled this in this forum. If I were to spend ~500K on a Cobra it wouldn't be a 427, original or replica. I had a wussy 427 Windsor, and never felt I was doing the engine justice. Remember the FE engines were also marine and dry land pump engines, intended for 24x7 high RPM constant load operation. That made them perfect race engines. But on the street the 427 roush kept asking me to "run it harder". I can't even imagine what a cammer would feel like (although I'd like to drive Jay's).

If I were to spend that much money on one now it would be an original 289 street car. That is approximately what they sell for. If I were to buy a replacement replica it would also be a 289 family car.
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Old 05-27-2015, 10:22 AM
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I have extolled this in this forum. If I were to spend ~500K on a Cobra it wouldn't be a 427, original or replica.

If I were to spend that much money on one now it would be an original 289 street car. That is approximately what they sell for.
Tony, you're late to the party, and behind on original 289 street Cobra prices by about half, sorry to say.
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Old 05-27-2015, 10:53 AM
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Tony, you're late to the party, and behind on original 289 street Cobra prices by about half, sorry to say.
Holy cow, I guess I was asleep at the wheel on that one. 190SLs too. And 300SL (both gullwing and roadster). Oh well.
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Old 05-28-2015, 09:38 AM
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I can't even imagine what a cammer would feel like (although I'd like to drive Jay's).
Cammers are like trying to tame a grizzly.

They are fun and maddening to drive at the same time. No matter what you do the rear tires spin. Glad a learned a soft touch with my feet from all those years playing the piano.

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