Original Owners Talking About Original Stuff.

[marcocsx3121]

A comment about CSX3133. and its owner Bob Gingold. Without throwing stones, I was up close and personal to both the car and owner during the 1970s and a bit beyond, and let me say that many of the details in the story were not as I remembered them.

[TimG427]

Bob, I saw your Cobra at the NCRS Kissimmee Florida Regional and it was beautiful. You gave me a copy of the article and I read it on the way back home.

It was good to see a Cobra, I kept coming back to it all weekend.

[patty442]

Hi Tim . The car at Kissimee was not 3133. Also the show was at Lakeland Sun and Fun airport. The car was my other car. The Kirkham driver. It was a great show. Did you see when I snuck out on the taxi way and made a few passes. I thought a guy in a yellow shirt was going to come out in a golf cart and throw me out of the airport. Did you see when some dope in a supercharged blue late model Corvette claiming 800 RWH and 24 pounds of boost came out to run. Lasted only 2 gears. He was shocked but was nice about it. Just kept saying I can't believe how fast those Cobra's are. I am glad you liked that car. My buddy is a major Corvette guy here in South Florida and asked me to bring the car to the very same Corvette show where my 67 car was judged years and years ago. He garages my car at his shop. He has 75 cars in his shop and almost 20 guys working for him. He is a 40 year great friend. Next about the certification of Corvettes. Sorry if I used the wrong technical term in your mind. And I really don't need to get into a Corvette discussion here. My point was due to the circumstances of their manufacturing process, clear trends and similarities could be documented. The Corvette guys were as I said far ahead of everyone else. I wanted to learn. I have been a student and a teacher of medicine all my life. It was an alternate source of information. Someones else's point of view. Sure the judges for the day are making decisions. Hopefully they know correctness. Even though I really don't want to start up with you. but you force me, it sounds like the judges of the day maybe didn't appreciate how nice your Corvette was. Just saying. Finally I am not going to respond anymore about the definition of certification, what NCRS stands for, or why they do what they do. They were a source of parallel information and understanding that I could use to improve my own knowledge about production, originality, sequencing, of Cobras. Done I hope with that. About the shift boot. 100% philips on the shift boot. Many 'experts' were concerned about that. Another responder has confirmed that. I have to think, if I have seen phillips hardware anywhere else in the car., from England. I have to check my early judging logs. Did you notice the clocking of 12 3 6 9 on the screw heads? Obviously not necessary or probable in production but I think a nice touch. You didn't mention the shifter. A Hurst??? I have the blueprint and instructions for that clearly labeled Shelby American 427 Mark 1966-1967. I went to Hurst in PA. Don't think it was in there catalog. I spoke to Joel Rosen about it. Not sure if it was special production or Joel talked George Hurst into making it and he would sell it. I saw Joel several years ago in Orlando at a PIR show doing some late model Camaro. Couldn't talk to him for long but he said it was special. I only have seen one other on the Motion drag car 427. Article in a Car magazine about three or four years ago. The uniqueness is the shifter is a Ford pattern reverse down like a ford shifter for a toploader, not Reverse up and to the left like most if not all Hurst Competition shifters. The transmission is also very very special. Finally there will always be nay- sayers [?} not sure if that is a word, in any discussion. If the guy who has a foggy memory of the 70's sends me a PM with your telephone number and I'll gladly discuss any details about the 70's with you. I love to talk about the old days a learn all over again. I liive in the 60's If you want to tell me that the body gaps were never that good, that the cars were never that straight, that my car never left AC with early webers, or a completely original 427 dry sump system, the article clearly discusses that. Read my purpose in finishing the car. All I do know, at the first Concours where it was seen by the public, Meadowbrook /StJohns in Detroit I received a special judges award for the" most desirable car in the show, the car that the judges all wanted to drive home", was engraved on the huge real silver cup that I received. The head judge said I can't give you best of show because only a car older than 1935 can get that. "Its political" . I really really would prefer to respond to detail questions, rather than defend the purpose and direction of the build. Early post today as I have my son's graduation from middle school ceremony tonight. Bob

[Blue66]

Originally Posted by marcocsx3121

a comment about csx3133. And its owner bob gingold. Without throwing stones, i was up close and personal to both the car and owner during the 1970s and a bit beyond, and let me say that many of the details in the story were not as i remembered them.

x2 !!!!! :d

[patty442]

Everyone hello. Been very busy all summer. Recovering from broken ankle on race car trailer preparing for SAAC Pocono. Still brought 3133 to the show. M et so many very nice people at the show. I have been inundated for requests for detailed photos and discussions of parts. I will get to everyone. I am finalizing the quick jack discussion. Maybe in about a week. I know this might get me in trouble but here goes. Several entries ago a member Marcos had indicated a discrepancy is his memory versus mine , the author of the article, and his. I had asked for communication via private mail to discuss his concerns. He has not responded. I have been advised by my friends to take the high road. In reponse: I guess jealosy had no time limit. You question MY memory of MY car and My life. I was at those same Cobra Club get togethers that you were. I stopped going because of what was going on. Considering the amount of alcohol and other intoxicants you consumed, I am surprised that you can remember the color of my car or your own name. Again if you would like me to refresh your memory or discuss anything please send me a private email. I have waited six months.