Not looking to get in the minutia. I didn't say "exact". You did. I said analogous which it is.

Nah, can't use "Evan Blow". He knows too much.

I'll use Joe Public or John Q Public or even Joe Average.

He just writes these grand dissertations and hopes people believe his line of BS. I hope others don't fall for his make-believe world.

There are no facts, other than your car is not 1 of the 998. You're just dazzling everyone with BS. Pure supposition about the events of a decade ago. You weren't there and Ned was. And Ned said "certain liberties were taken" with the Registry. He contributed to writing it and you didn't.

The point is not what happened a decade ago, even though you're making S up, but what's happening today. And today, the SAAC website has been revised to eliminate any words like genuine, real, or authentic as it relates to the Shelby replica. You can live in the past, but SAAC will revise/delete the Shelby replicas from the 5th Edition of the World Registry. I can't wait.

And the current Registry also calls the Shelby replica "Cobra like" and a "true replica." It's all there in black and white.

You have a genuine Shelby REPLICA.

BTW, I love the line where you say, and I'm paraphrasing, "if the genuine 998 weren't built today, then they would be kits cars." Hey, instead, why not say "if the AMC Gremlin were built today, then it would be a kit car." Wow, that's got to be one of the funniest BS you've ever spewed out here on the forum. :LOL::LOL:

Well, you likely are right. However, I was speaking hypothetically. Further, Shelby was known to have said he wanted to get out of the car business at that time because he did not want to compromise based on federal regulations. Very simply at some point we know he decided to in fact continue production of the Cobra as it was. What if he made the decision not to stop the 3000 series in 1968? His cars would have been "kits" at some point in order to circumvent federal regs.

Yes, we know your position. I'm not getting on your merry go round from hell.

You again have not read or comprehended what I have said. Can't waste my time responding to you. It's futile.

I think Evan took his ball and went home.

Evan, I don't link the current Cobras to the originals because, apart from their appearance and their use of the Shelby name, they aren't connected. AC Cars did not build them and they are far from exact copies. You say they are from the same manufacturer, and I ask - do you really understand what the F you are talking about? It's the same in name only, with different players, different manufacturing methods, and a different corporate structure. Same manufacturer? Only a fool would argue that. But if the shoe fits ...

As for my referring to your car as a replica, you read the definitions on one page, but fail to comprehend the bigger picture on the other pages that specifically deal with the CSX 4xxx cars. Such as SAAC's note on page 707 that explained how Shelby would compete with the other replica manufacturers directly "by building and selling a Cobra replica of his own." Charitably, SAAC decided to label the new Shelby cars as something other than replicas simply to differentiate them from other recreations that were already referred to as replicas, since Shelby was building them. Note that they also state the 4000-series cars were "built to more or less original 427 Cobra S/C standards." Still want to insist they are connected?

And don't make me laugh by mistaking exactly who is "grinding his own personal axe to protect his turf." All of us know that refers to YOU.

Evan must be like Tom Cruise in court. Dazzle the jury with BS and hope he picks up a few believers. I just hope no one here is buying the load of BS, with the possible exception of his other "two amigos."

He tries to recreate history, and he simply wasn't there. Ned was there. He wasn't. But somehow, according to Evan, Ned doesn't know what happened, or forgot, but Ned helped write the Registry. Unbelievable.

Facts, Fraud, Ned The Registry Writer, Oops! The SAAC Website Has Been Revised, Logic (if it's a replica, then it can't be genuine), Forget About Today, And Let's Recreate The Past.

He will keep stomping his feet and waving his arms as long as someone will listen.

Reminds me of my son when he was two.

I'm pretty sure that the only reason he so zealously clings to his position on this issue is to inflate the value of his replica.

Really? The value of his car is not influenced whatsoever by this forum. Less than 1% of Shelby CSX owners (and future ones) participate here.

It is an interesting mental masturbation exercise though.

He's a legend in his own mind.

Yes, the Registry is clear. And you're wrong again. You obviously haven't read the Registry and then you have the audacity to tell others, like Ned and I, that we haven't.

The company isn't the same as the company in the 1960's. In the late 1990's, Shelby American experienced difficulties, aka, cash flow problems. A company called Venture Industries purchased 75% (A MAJORITY STAKE) of Shelby American. Shelby retained 25% and was able to continue production of the CSX4000 replicas. The new company name was Shelby Automobiles. The cash infusion also helped the Series 1 production. And around 2003, the new company went public as CSBI, Carroll Shelby International.

So STOP saying it's the same company. It's not. Read page 710. And the gap in production was from roughly 1965-1995 or 30 years.

Different materials, different companies, 30-year gap and they're sold as kits, not complete legal and register-able cars like in 1965. Not genuine, not authentic, not a real Shelby. REPLICA!

The value is determined by far more than just the 10-ish CSX replica owners, assuming your 1% figure of 1,000 CSX replicas have been built and sold, though admittedly, I'm not sure.

There are 170,000 members of this forum, so the reach is much larger than the discussions between 10 existing CSX replica owners here.

Bzzzt. Shelby has operated and fontinues to operate under the same manufacturers license. Same company.

I'll be Evan for one second. Read the Registry. Page 710. Ownership has changed at least twice. Shelby gave up majority ownership. Different company.

Registry doesn't discuss the "manufacturing license." Thus unimportant to Cobra history.

Shelby sold 75% of his company and then a few years later went public. Different ownership.

RK - good to have you back... I thought something bad happened :o
Sorry, just finished watching the Godfather series...




So, seeming we can use the dictionary definition when it suits you, but not when it doesn't? :confused:

Which do you want to use? Pick ONE and be consistent please. Then the "merry go round from hell" as you put it will stop ;)

Have you read Shakespear's "A Man for All Seasons"?


I agree on this point, but sorry totally irrelevant...


Yes! So What? If your auntie had balls she'd be your uncle. :rolleyes:
History SAYS this never happened... Correct?
Perhaps, maybe, would've, could've, should've, but DIDN'T! True?


Again Yes! So What? It never happened!
They were delivered with engines by the factory. COMPLETE!
NOT in parts, and NOT missing pieces for whatever reason. True?


No VESTED INTEREST there hey?
You continue to protest bias against SHELBY Continuation cars, but dear sir, you realise there are two sides to this coin... and I for one don't see it any bias to the cars themselves, quite the opposite, the cars are revered - In my humble experience, just raised eyebrows to those who aren't honest about what they have. ;)
Seemingly some CSX continuation guys have a larger problem with this than most, but the same disdain is placed upon Kirkham or SPF or FF5 guys trying to pass theirs off as something other than...


Earlier in this thread - You were quite hostile in your description to point out that you couldn't give a chit, nor cared, nor presumed, what the inquirer was supposing, when they asked the question. Now you ARE supposing correct?
...and perhaps supposing INCORRECTLY, what they "mean"?


See if you answered like that to a COBRA guy... they would know what you mean (even if they didn't agree).
BUT If you answer like that to John Citizen and his wife and kids, in the presence of a COBRA guy, that cobra guy would KNOW you're misleading them!
...and therefore conclude - you were telling a half truth and therefore being DISHONEST. Apologies to break it to you!

Hello pot, my name is kettle.

Kind regards,

Sheesh! I think you've got up Mr. Dimis' nose on this one, and I agree with his reason for irritation. I'm reasonably certain this in not the way Dangerous Doug intended this thread to go.
Are you guys going for a record number of posts in one thread....or what?

That's my one and only comment.

Goodbye.
Glen

Or you could say dazzle them with BS. It's almost like Evan gets paid by the word.

As Ned said, let's call a spade a spade. It's not one of the 998, so it must be a replica, which of course Evan has admitted too at least half dozen times now.

Are you clicking your glass shoes together faster now? Where are you Auntie Em? :LOL: