Really? You won that Mustang tag?
Larry

Never mind. It's useless to argue against stupidity and ignorance

I thought this meeting was adjourned

A search of the trademarks shows no one has a trademark for the word Cobra for cars. There are 1004 trademarks listed for 'Cobra' or some variant of Cobra.

Strangely enough, the logo we all know as the Cobra logo was once owned by a security company, not Shelby - this one:http://www.finishlineaccessories.com/c-42-decals.aspx

Here is a short example of some of the dead trademarks. There are many more dead Cobra trademarks.

Serial Number Reg. Number Word Mark Check Status Live/Dead
1 85860991 SHELBY COBRA DAYTONA COUPE TSDR DEAD
2 85860933 SHELBY COBRA DAYTONA COUPE TSDR DEAD
3 78975170 SHELBY KING COBRA TSDR DEAD
4 78190374 SHELBY KING COBRA TSDR DEAD
5 74617561 CARROLL SHELBY'S COBRA OIL TSDR DEAD
6 74373789 SHELBY COBRA TSDR DEAD
7 74094588 SHELBY KING COBRA TSDR DEAD

Yippee, I have a Cobra...

Evan Thank you for reasoning the admission of error.
There's NO shame in making that error, UNLESS you did it purposefully. I for one don't believe you did.

But YOU ARE a clever, well educated man, a lawyer no-less - How then would you envisage John Average to receive it, or cope with it, reason it?? %/
Pause and think about THAT please :o

That's part of the problem... if one is explaining it to John Average, 99% of the world, then the continuation series can ONLY be a REAL SHELBY COBRA if its qualified, and Its debatable whether John Average would understand "Continuation series". Yes, its ignorance on their part... but even you yourself admitted to having trouble defining it earlier on. So give them a break, and qualify it in laymens

Else its just misleading them with a half truth, IMHO.

My feeling is SOME CSX guys call it "REAL" in their circles of friends, who are other car guys or COBRA guys, and they get it, knowing that it AINT a REAL 1960s Shelby, but a real 2004 Shelby!

The OTHER CSX guys, call it REAL to baffle the novice with their BS... Cos having people take photos and an interest in their car fulfils them :rolleyes: Those guys have issues... I pity them, because they really are insecure with what they DO have. What a shame :o

At the same time SOME non-Continuation Cobra Kit owners pigeon hole CSX owners into one of the two types of owners above. Sometimes unjustly, sometimes deservedly so.


Qualifier required? 2004 Shelby Cobra 427
Else John Average may get the false impression he's looking at a REAL 1965 COBRA. Agreed?


Well?? Maybe??

Why do you feel Replica and KIT are dirty words?
My car (irrelevant what it actually is) is both a kit sorts and a replica... and I would feel this IF I owned a Continuation Series Shelby Cobra. So What?
Owning something, or NOT owning something, doesn't warrant respect.
Ones actions DO imho.


Kindest regards

Not cool. I don't care if you call me ignorant and stupid, but if you do, don't edit out why you called me ignorant and stupid after you find out who really may have those attributes.

When I say "reason it" I'm referring to the phrases used to describe the continuation series kits. Ie: Real shelby cobra or genuine cobra, or authentic cobra etc. NOT referring to reasoning your self admitted mistake.

Sorry just thought I should qualify.

Did this really happen?
Or are you guys pi55ing in our pockets?

Can you get me half a pound on what your on.:p

Yes, it did happen. Truth. Belongs in the "Believe it or Not" files.

"Can you get me half a pound on what your on."


Let that be a lesson to you. That's what happens when a well-adjusted guy from the Midwest moves to the West Coast. Most people think it is the sex, drugs, rock and roll. But its the weather.

Keep up the personal comments and it will be for you.

Hahaha... I tell you this guy cracks me up... :LOL:

Wow. I didn't have anything shelby on my cobra, bc quite frankly it's not a shelby. But if I did, I'm pretty sure I'd think twice about keeping them. Was the guy that big a flog...?

This is getting to be like a religious argument. One believes in something, the other believes in another. I believe I'll have another drink.:cool:
JD

First paragraph is incorrect.

The second paragraph begs the "real" question as Al noted earlier. Continuation owners have a multitude of factual and legal basis to call there cars a Cobra. Other than Shelbys, ACs and Kirkhams ...those who own any other car what's your basis other than that "ethereal" plane Paul F is floating on and his raffle winnings to call your car a Cobra no less put plates on them ranging from improper antique plates to vanity plates telling others it's a "Cobra".?

Now you can start the Jeopardy music.

Other than an "ethereal" plane I certainly don't see any except for "respect" but that is a two way street.

At one time that was true, but Trademark protection needs to be renewed every 10 years. Looks like the "Cobra" Trademark was allowed to lapse, that right and privilege you paid for to legally say "Cobra" evaporated with the Trademark expiration. Looks like 'The Old Man' stuck it to you by not setting up a cyclical renewal process for the Cobra Trademark after his death.

Prior to your edit, you stated that enthusiasts with Replicas 'sign-in' to car events and shows with; Cobra, 427 Cobra, Shelby Cobra etc. which is dishonest. Agreed, if everybody was to be honest the sign-in roster would have; SPF Cobra Replica, ERA Cobra Replica, Kirkham Cobra Replica etc. For the Shelby CSX4000/6000 cars you would see Shelby Cobra + some discriminator (like what's on the MSO "Component Vehicle") so as to separate themselves from the Originals. Only Originals can sign-in with Shelby 289/427 Cobra or something similar (no additional qualifier required).

... if you are going to be honest about your "Cobra".

Since you asked, I call my car a "Cobra" for the same reason I call a Coca-Cola "Coke". It's just easier to say "Honey, I'm going out in the Cobra" than "Honey, I'm going out in the Cobra replica".

My "vanity" plate is ERA 795, so no deception there. I did avoid the Shelby America license plate frame because my car isn't made by Shelby America. I do, however, have Cobra emblems on the car and consider that part of the replica look just like the rollbar and wooden steering wheel.

I also have no problem with the different words people use to ask about the car. If someone asks if it's a kit, the answer's "yes". If someone asks if it's a replica, the answer's "yes". If someone asks if it's real, the answer is "If by real, you mean an original Cobra from the '60's, no, it's a replica of those cars".

I think the continuation cars deserve a lot of respect, but owners should stop short of leading people to believe it is a Cobra from the '60's.

Kevin

Wow! It only took 1238 posts to get to the truth!

When I'm asked "the question", I always answer "NO, if it was it would be parked in my living room." That usually sparks a conversation that can go in many ways, but I never lead the inquisitor to believe my car is "an original".

Now, many will say, "but you have the badges on the hood and trunk so you're misrepresenting your car". To me, that's part of the "replica" equation. They all "look" like the originals. That's why they're called replicas. And I do admit to fudging once or twice when a guy pulls up next to me at a light and asks what year my car is. At those times, it's easier to just say "it's a replica of a 1965". No time and too much noise to explain its a 2009 SPF. Mea culpa!

Evan, please cite 4 examples of this "Continuation owners have a multitude of factual and legal basis to call there cars a Cobra".

Please provide links to these sources. They need to show that they are currently in effect, and stipulate that the word "Cobra" can only be used in conjunction with SAI Component Vehicles. They must further show that other Replica manufacturers are prohibited from using the word "Cobra".

You get back to us real soon on that :LOL: