Interesting Article from Hemmings Buyer Guide regarding Current Production Cobras

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by CompClassics

If you are going to post what you believe are relevant facts at least vet them out before you pull the trigger, something about apples and oranges come to mind.

Is that not considered "bickering"? Oy vey.

I'm happy to admit a mistake. I make them all the time. Are you mistake-free in your life? I really doubt it.

And BTW, did you "vet out" and post that the alloy CSX8000 was an asking price and not an actual transaction? Makes a difference, no? In terms of asking prices and actual transactions, something about apples and oranges comes to mind. I got the impression that $280,000 is the value of that car.

But we were discussing Evan's CSX4206. Big block versus small block, apples and oranges, no?

Remember, you said "For all those nay-sayers on "CSX" Continuation Series valuations..."

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by CompClassics

If you are going to post what you believe are relevant facts at least vet them out before you pull the trigger, something about apples and oranges come to mind.

RodKnock
You asked in a previous post for proof from anyone that anyone was advertising a Continuation Series for over $200K. I looked at it as a challenge, challenge completed! There have also been completed sales of alloy bodied Continuation Series Cobras that have gone as hight as $349K that can be found on the Internet if you really wanted to look for the info.

Thanks for the info. Didn't know that.

Seems like some Continuation Cobras may be fetching prices getting close to COB territory. Hmmm. Imagine that.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by CompClassics

RodKnock
You asked in a previous post for proof from anyone that anyone was advertising a Continuation Series for over $200K. I looked at it as a challenge, challenge completed! There have also been completed sales of alloy bodied Continuation Series Cobras that have gone as hight as $349K that can be found on the Internet if you really wanted to look for the info.

Ehhh. Sorry, incorrect. Not "advertising", but actual sales. For someone who didn't want to "bicker," and scolded me for not vetting my posts first, you're doing a fine job.

So, this is what I posted earlier in this thread:

Originally Posted by RodKnock

I haven't seen any alloy CSX 4000/6000/7000/8000 for $240,000. If I were Evan, I'd sell at $240,000 all day long and twice on Tuesdays. If you can find any sales publicly verifiable over $200K, please post a link.

Hillbank always has a few for sale asking $160,000-199,0000.

Now the CSX 1000 and CSX Resurrection Series, yes, over $200,000.

Asking prices are completely meaningless. If you have actual publicly verifiable sales transactions, then please post them. I subscribe to Keith Martin's Sports Car Market auction magazine and they have not posted an alloy CSX over $200,000 yet. And not that eBay is a perfect venue for pricing, but I haven't seen any there yet either.

And I never said prices over $200,000 are impossible, they're already bumping around that area. I just haven't seen any. And to be honest with you, with Kirkham and Shelby both significantly increasing prices over the past few years, it's definitely going to happen at some point. Maybe they have. But even one or two sales over $200,000 won't represent the entire market for any car. That's what auction magazines will tell you.

IIRC, way back in 2007-2008, when I purchased my car, Shelby alloy rollers were in the range of $95,000-$115,000. Kirkham rollers were about $70,000-$80,000. Today, alloy Shelby rollers are $160,000 and Kirkham rollers are $100,000 (raw, file finish, unpolished). If you get a polished Kirkham roller with center stripes, then they're $117,000. So, nothing is getting cheaper at this point, but then interest rates are 0%, so money is cheap.

[CompClassics]

Oh-boy, I wasn't the one comparing 8000 Series Continuation Cobras to Evan's Cobra either I merely posted a ad that I had come across in Sports Car Digest.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by CompClassics

Oh-boy, I wasn't the one comparing 8000 Series Continuation Cobras to Evan's Cobra either I merely posted a ad that I had come across in Sports Car Digest.

But previously, we were talking about Evan's CSX4206 and his thoughts on the value of his 427 S/C car?

OK. Sounds good. Thank you for your post.

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by CompClassics

Oh-boy, I wasn't the one comparing 8000 Series Continuation Cobras to Evan's Cobra either I merely posted a ad that I had come across in Sports Car Digest.

You must be careful here especially if perceived to be pro-Shelby. It doesn't take much to be attacked.

This cite suffers from wide spread Shelby "sour grapeitis" It's epidemic here.

[RodKnock]

Here's the link to the auction info:

1962 Shelby 50th Anniversary Cobra - Fort Lauderdale

I've got to admit that I wanted to verify the auction info, but after reading the listing, near the bottom of the page under "Addendum":

ADDENDUM

Please note the title states replica.

[Joe's Garage]

For those who want to know how inflation has affected your replica's relative worth. Does not take into account supply and demand, swings in material costs, new vs. used etc. - just inflation of the USD over time.
Inflation Calculator - Consumer Price Index

[twobjshelbys]

I just can't understand why Joe's Garage and RodKnock continue to insist on berating and belittling the Shelby Cobras. There is a troll on the Shelby forum trying to belittle the KR, but his mission is to persuade someone who owns one that it is worthless so the troll can buy it for under 20k. Neither of you has expressed any interest in buying one, so it's not doing you any personal good to try to knock down the price. So in the end, all you are doing is convincing others who have no interest in buying one that any price above that of a Factory Five kit is a waste of money, and no Shelby can ever be worth more or as nice as Kirkhams. And even if you convince me to berate my (former) car by lowering it to that level, and convince the very few other Shelby continuation owners here the same, it's irrelevant. The huge majority of Shelby owners aren't even participants here, and if they lurk and don't post this is the reason, the market for those cars is almost exclusively NOT HERE.

You won't convince me to use words anything other than the car I (used to own) is a Shelby Continuation Cobra.

I know you would prefer something like:

Q: Oh wow that's cool, is it real?
A: Oh my God I'm glad you (sob) asked that (sob) question. I (sob) feel it is time (Sob) for me to come clean. (sob) It's (sob) a worthless copy of (sob) a car built by a snake oil (sob) salesman and (sob) totally a (sob) scam upon the (sob) public. I'm so (sob) sorry (sob) that I have (sob) decieved you into thinking that it is anything (sob) other than something (sob) built (Sob) by a 16 year old junkie in high school (sob) in the shop. I (sob) will see to it (sob) that it is destroyed (sob) today so that I (sob) don't decieve (sob) anyone any more. If (sob) you wish (sob) I will fall on my sword (sob) afterwards.

On the other hand, the real market for Shelbys is strong, lead times are long, and used versions on Cobra Country move quickly at or near asking price (which is rarely anything but the highest)

So remind us again, what is the purpose if the discussion? What is the expected outcome?

By the way, Joe's Garage can't show us pictures of his car because he found after he opened the crate that it was entirely PVC plastic, and that it came with this toolkit:

Bosch Tool Set with Ixolino by Theo Klein

Continue to have fun.

[Joe's Garage]

Evan's grab ass playmate jumps to the rescue

[twobjshelbys]

Originally Posted by Joe's Garage

Evan's grab ass playmate jumps to the rescue

Wow, slower than I thought.

There is a dead pool on how soon you stroke out on this.

[RodKnock]

Tony, the Shelby and Kirkham alloy models are the premier replicas in the market, except for someone like Mr. McCluskey who might build one from scratch or something.

People will pay a premium for the CSX plaque. No doubt about it. That's obvious. We can debate the amount of the premium all day, at least in the secondary market, but that's not important.

What is important, to me, is that the words "genuine", "real", or "authentic" are NOT used in connection with the anything other than the 998. Simple as that for me. And the SAAC website statement has removed it and the Registry will be next.

[twobjshelbys]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Tony, the Shelby and Kirkham alloy models are the premier replicas in the market, except for someone like Mr. McCluskey who might build one from scratch or something.

People will pay a premium for the CSX plaque. No doubt about it. That's obvious. We can debate the amount of the premium all day, at least in the secondary market, but that's not important.

What is important, to me, is that the words "genuine", "real", or "authentic" are NOT used in connection with the anything other than the 998. Simple as that for me. And the SAAC website statement has removed it and the Registry will be next.

Please diagram the following sentence:

I own a genuine Shelby Cobra

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by twobjshelbys

Please diagram the following sentence:

I own a genuine Shelby Cobra

I own a genuine Shelby Cobra, if and only if, I own 1 of the 998.

How's that?

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

I own a genuine Shelby Cobra, if and only if, I own 1 of the 998.

How's that?

Thank God you cleared that up!!! So my Shelby Cobra is a fake of a Shelby Cobra.

Yes, it all makes perfect sense now.

Ok. Got it.

Oey vey.

Read the Registry boys.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

So my Shelby Cobra is a fake of a Shelby Cobra.

You own a genuine Shelby Cobra replica. A copy of one of the original 998. Congratulations. Great car. And I love black-painted replicas. Maybe my favorite paint color for a Cobra or Cobra replica.

And yes, read the Registry, especially the page(s) where the Shelby Cobra replica is called a "true replica" and "Cobra-like."

Oh, and read Ned The Curator's statements, which are consistent with those two terms.

[Dimis]

Originally Posted by twobjshelbys

Please diagram the following sentence:

I owned a genuine 2008? Shelby Cobra

Hey there, fixed it for you

Ps. It was a very nice car indeed. Different with the yellow wheels and all, but very nice none the less.

Pps: Joe - Why do you feel the need to be so rude?

[twobjshelbys]

Originally Posted by Dimis

Hey there, fixed it for you

Ps. It was a very nice car indeed. Different with the yellow wheels and all, but very nice none the less.

Pps: Joe - Why do you feel the need to be so rude?

A true statement also, but it doesn't change the outcome - it merely makes a general statement a specific one.

I've since seen several other British Racing Green Cobras. BRG was on the official Shelby paint list. [The paint list used to be on Gessford Machine's site but I was looking for it recently and couldn't find it.] The green color they called out was exactly Jaguar's paint code, and in fact, HST used Jag sourced paint. The yellow/gold stripe color is some Mercedes color.

The original owner paid a pretty penny to get the wheels painted.

[REAL 1]

Tony: Great post!!!

Yes, from now on to make friends here maybe I will follow that dialog and come clean with sobs and all.

This "grab ass" phrase ...what is that anyway? Never heard that term. Obviously familiar to our new troll.

Still waiting for the "grab ass" expert to post pics of his, well whatever it is that lying on his floor.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Tony: Great post!!!

Yes, from now on to make friends here maybe I will follow that dialog and come clean with sobs and all.

This "grab ass" phrase ...what is that anyway? Never heard that term. Obviously familiar to our new troll.

Still waiting for the "grab ass" expert to post pics of his, well whatever it is that lying on his floor.

Speaking of phrases, where does "flotsam and jetsam" come from? I've never heard that one before.

"Grab-ass" is kinda like two dogs going round and round sniffing the other one's butt. Kinda like you and Tony here.