Interesting Article from Hemmings Buyer Guide regarding Current Production Cobras

[Blue66]

Do your parents know you have parts in the basement ??? Didn't think you would have room for much with all the bikes and all. Now as far as your pics.. You have been flapping your gums consistently in all these threads.. Others have asked for pics.. Whats the big deal ???? Damm what would you do with a $1000 ?? Mom cash the check for ya ?? Sorry I just can't bet ya because I bought a CSX car an $$$$ is really tight

[Joe's Garage]

Originally Posted by Blue66

Do your parents know you have parts in the basement ??? Didn't think you would have room for much with all the bikes and all. Now as far as your pics.. You have been flapping your gums consistently in all these threads.. Others have asked for pics.. Whats the big deal ???? Damm what would you do with a $1000 ?? Mom cash the check for ya ?? Sorry I just can't bet ya because I bought a CSX car an $$$$ is really tight

Way too wordy, all you needed to say was ...
I don't have the balls to back up my big mouth.

Thanks for confirming the obvious

[Blue66]

how about you go WORK on it an when its done we will have a little $1000 grudge race need a time limit though.. 5/6/7 years ???

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by Joe's Garage

Way too wordy, all you needed to say was ...
I don't have the balls to back up my big mouth.

Thanks for confirming the obvious

If I didn't know you already had 256 posts to your name here I would merely ask are if you are always an a$$ or is today just special... but looking at all your prior posts here that answer becomes self evident.

Here's the deal. As of right now new aluminum Shelby's are about 2 years out if you order one. Don't know about Kirkhams. Then maybe another 9 months for a dealer to fit it out.

Billy Andrews of HRE Motorcars is among the most knowledgeable guys regarding Cobras and one of the top restorers in the country. He in fact restored many originals and restored Dr. Gingolds CSX 3133 which is outstanding and won concours awards. The car is stunning.

The fit out for Continuation Cobras varies owner to owner. More varied than original cars as the originals were delivered by Shelby in 1962 to 1968. The original cars have, however, in many cases also morphed from original spec in many cases over the years and in fact many "original" cars don't have much of "original" left in them and vary from how they originally left SAI in the 1960's (which has been in existence since 1962 but dormant from '68 to around 1990s when the Completion series was announced).

Point is with current production Cobras (Continuation Cobras) you have your more common "standard" fit out cars that although appearing to original specs in general many details stray from original. Not that that's bad. Its just how the current production Cobras in major are fitted out by most dealers. They look great and are great but if you want your Shelby to be "as it was" it takes a little more time and effort. It's hard to make it 100% to original spec. Even restoring original cars can be a challenge. Parts costs, availability, restoration etc...

The more you push your car to the "way it was" the more expensive it is. Details are expensive and time consuming.

While my car is likely one of the most accurate to original specs it's not 100%. There are likely cars that are more detailed but I think mine is near the top. Yes, I get busted on my rivet pattern but aside from that it's pretty damn good. But to get a continuation to the level of my continuation car takes time money and effort. For some it may be easier based on their sources etc.. For me it took time. Some don't care about original specs as far as all the details.

While I don't know what my car would sell for since I'm not selling I do know Billy has told me that if I were to sell I could get over $200K. My car has 8400 miles on it. It is not new. It has been well cared for an pampered and never abused. For insurance replacement purposes I had Billy Andrews provide me a build sheet for a new aluminum Continuation series fitted out just as my car with all the details. I did not know where the number would end up when I asked. He knows every detail about my car from the correct radiator tags, seat knobs, SW240s etc...etc..

I received a build sheet totaling $240,000.00. Substantially more (substantially) than I paid for the car 15 years ago. Could I get that for my car? Billy didn't think it was out of the question with the right buyer who wants top Shelby Continuation Cobra today and not 2 1/2 years from now.

Would I sell it for $240K? No. I have no desire or interest in selling it. It would take more for me to sell it. In fact back in 2004 (10 years ago) I had it sold for $145K when I was looking to buy a FGT. I backed out at the last second. Decided to just keep it and buy the FGT anyway. I couldn't part with it.

You know at the end of the day despite all the BS and crap on this cite knocking my Cobra as a "replica' and a "kit" its a Shelby Cobra, its title says Shelby Cobra, it's manufacturer plaque says Shelby American (and not one acquired from Tony Branda and riveted on) and its in the World Registry of Cobras. As someone else said it has prestige, distinction, and mystic that no other car that looks like it has...and that's whether the Shelby is glass or aluminum.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

If I didn't know you already had 256 posts to your name here I would merely ask are if you are always an a$$ or is today just special... but looking at all your prior posts here that answer becomes self evident.

Here's the deal. As of right now new aluminum Shelby's are about 2 years out if you order one. Don't know about Kirkhams. Then maybe another 9 months for a dealer to fit it out.

Billy Andrews of HRE Motorcars is among the most knowledgeable guys regarding Cobras and one of the top restorers in the country. He in fact restored many originals and restored Dr. Gingolds CSX 3133 which is outstanding and won concours awards. The car is stunning.

The fit out for Continuation Cobras varies owner to owner. More varied than original cars as the originals were delivered by Shelby in 1962 to 1968. The original cars have, however, in many cases also morphed from original spec in many cases over the years and in fact many "original" cars don't have much of "original" left in them and vary from how they originally left SAI in the 1960's (which has been in existence since 1962 but dormant from '68 to around 1990s when the Completion series was announced).

Point is with current production Cobras (Continuation Cobras) you have your more common "standard" fit out cars that although appearing to original specs in general many details stray from original. Not that that's bad. Its just how the current production Cobras in major are fitted out by most dealers. They look great and are great but if you want your Shelby to be "as it was" it takes a little more time and effort. It's hard to make it 100% to original spec. Even restoring original cars can be a challenge. Parts costs, availability, restoration etc...

The more you push your car to the "way it was" the more expensive it is. Details are expensive and time consuming.

While my car is likely one of the most accurate to original specs it's not 100%. There are likely cars that are more detailed but I think mine is near the top. Yes, I get busted on my rivet pattern but aside from that it's pretty damn good. But to get a continuation to the level of my continuation car takes time money and effort. For some it may be easier based on their sources etc.. For me it took time. Some don't care about original specs as far as all the details.

While I don't know what my car would sell for since I'm not selling I do know Billy has told me that if I were to sell I could get over $200K. My car has 8400 miles on it. It is not new. It has been well cared for an pampered and never abused. For insurance replacement purposes I had Billy Andrews provide me a build sheet for a new aluminum Continuation series fitted out just as my car with all the details. I did not know where the number would end up when I asked. He knows every detail about my car from the correct radiator tags, seat knobs, SW240s etc...etc..

I received a build sheet totaling $240,000.00. Substantially more (substantially) than I paid for the car 15 years ago. Could I get that for my car? Billy didn't think it was out of the question with the right buyer who wants top Shelby Continuation Cobra today and not 2 1/2 years from now.

Would I sell it for $240K? No. I have no desire or interest in selling it. It would take more for me to sell it. In fact back in 2004 (10 years ago) I had it sold for $145K when I was looking to buy a FGT. I backed out at the last second. Decided to just keep it and buy the FGT anyway. I couldn't part with it.

You know at the end of the day despite all the BS and crap on this cite knocking my Cobra as a "replica' and a "kit" its a Shelby Cobra, its title says Shelby Cobra, it's manufacturer plaque says Shelby American (and not one acquired from Tony Branda and riveted on) and its in the World Registry of Cobras. As someone else said it has prestige, distinction, and mystic that no other car that looks like it has...and that's whether the Shelby is glass or aluminum.

I don't know what your Shelby Cobra replica is worth or how much it would cost to build it, but the source of that information has a conflict of interest. If he wants to keep anyone's business, he might want to give a client a "happy" news/appraisal. Without exposing it to the market, it's all just words.

Why don't you list your car on eBay with an overzealous reserve and see where the final bid comes in? MrMustang is great at spotting shill bids, so no shill bidding.

Also, state titles aren't the arbiters of what you're car is or isn't. In CA, your car would be a SPCNS, not a Shelby Cobra. IT IS A REPLICA, since replicas require special exemption(s) to be registered and legally driven on our US roads in 2015. If it were a genuine 1960's Shelby Cobra, then no special exemption would be necessary.

Let's call a spade a spade. Shall we?

[REAL 1]

You can call a spade a spade. You can call a shovel a shovel. You can call anything you want anything you want.

I'll call a genuine Shelby Cobra a genuine Shelby Cobra. Like the one out in my garage.

As noted in my response on the Merry Go Round from hell you and your buddies created and continue to ride you and your buddies are confused, you were confused. You will obviously forever remain confused but in reality most here are intentionally obfuscating the issue and nasty and demeaning due to sour grapes.

Bye bye.

Love my Registry.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

You can call a spade a spade. You can call a shovel a shovel. You can call anything you want anything you want.

I'll call a genuine Shelby Cobra a genuine Shelby Cobra. Like the one out in my garage.

As noted in my response on the Merry Go Round from hell you and your buddies created and continue to ride you and your buddies are confused, you were confused. You will obviously forever remain confused but in reality most here are intentionally obfuscating the issue and nasty and demeaning due to sour grapes.

Bye bye.

Love my Registry.

I'm sorry, but who started this thread? Oh ya, YOU!

Actually, Ned The Curator used the phrase "Let's call a spade a spade." I'm just borrowing it. Remember, the SAAC Website statement deleted the word "genuine" in speaking about the modern Shelby replicas. As you would say "kaput." Gone.

If your car is not one of the 998, then it's not genuine. I'd stop using the word "genuine", because a replica cannot be genuine. And you've already admitted, several times, to your car being a replica.

I'll stick with Registry Terms "Cobra-like & True Replica," Logic, Ned The Curator and The Revised SAAC Web Statement (not the 8-year old version that you posted).

Kapesh?

[Thor maine]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

You can call a spade a spade. You can call a shovel a shovel. You can call anything you want anything you want.

I'll call a genuine Shelby Cobra a genuine Shelby Cobra. Like the one out in my garage.

As noted in my response on the Merry Go Round from hell you and your buddies created and continue to ride you and your buddies are confused, you were confused. You will obviously forever remain confused but in reality most here are intentionally obfuscating the issue and nasty and demeaning due to sour grapes.

Bye bye.

Love my Registry.

Correction it is a "genuine Shelby Replica Cobra". The only grapes I want have been made into wine.

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

I don't know what your Shelby Cobra replica is worth or how much it would cost to build it, but the source of that information has a conflict of interest. If he wants to keep anyone's business, he might want to give a client a "happy" news/appraisal. Without exposing it to the market, it's all just words.

Why don't you list your car on eBay with an overzealous reserve and see where the final bid comes in? MrMustang is great at spotting shill bids, so no shill bidding.

Also, state titles aren't the arbiters of what you're car is or isn't. In CA, your car would be a SPCNS, not a Shelby Cobra. IT IS A REPLICA, since replicas require special exemption(s) to be registered and legally driven on our US roads in 2015. If it were a genuine 1960's Shelby Cobra, then no special exemption would be necessary.

Let's call a spade a spade. Shall we?

Again, you fail to read and comprehend. I never said what my car was worth. What I did say was what it would cost to rebuild new.

I did say I would not sell it for $240K if I were to sell it now since I'm not looking to sell it so it would take more for me to give it up to motivate me to do so.

You also failed to comprehend or consider what I said about the details of the Continuation Cobra fit out.

As to your "replica" hackneyed non-sense and ridiculous reliance on state DMV's to prove your point I just can't waste my time with your confusion and erroneous arguments any longer. I can't help you. Sorry.

For those who are genuinely "confused" and not taking an intentionally obfuscatory position motivated by sour grapes it's all in the Registry.

[Joe's Garage]

Turn the crank, the wife's monkey dances.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

You also failed to comprehend or consider what I said about the details of the Continuation Cobra fit out.

I'm not failing to comprehend squat-ola. I understand, but don't care.

You can "fit out" all you want, but will next person pay for it? Personally, I'd care less. It's a REPLICA. I'm sure someone is out there might care that their REPLICA be authentic (), but will you get back $1 for $1? I don't know. And of course, don't care, beyond you constantly giving everyone here the estimate over and over.

Anyway, I thought you left? You're back again? Who can believe what you say anymore.

[REAL 1]

Rodknock: Yes, I know you couldn't care less. That's why you have likely the majority of posts on 43 pages. Same with the "guy" who keeps talking about turning a "crank". He's been doing more dancing than anyone. Well except for you.

Read the Registry my friend. Maybe the light will go on. Maybe not.

Oh, well.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

I don't know what your Shelby Cobra replica is worth or how much it would cost to build it, but the source of that information has a conflict of interest.

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Again, you fail to read and comprehend. I never said what my car was worth. What I did say was what it would cost to rebuild new.

Uh, I'm failing to read and comprehend? Seriously, you're a lawyer? I never said that you said anything of your car's value. I said "I don't know what your car is worth." Sheesh.

But, you did say the following:

Originally Posted by REAL 1

While I don't know what my car would sell for since I'm not selling I do know Billy has told me that if I were to sell I could get over $200K.

You mentioned the nonsense about what your title says:

Originally Posted by REAL 1

You know at the end of the day despite all the BS and crap on this cite knocking my Cobra as a "replica' and a "kit" its a Shelby Cobra, its title says Shelby Cobra, it's manufacturer plaque says Shelby American (and not one acquired from Tony Branda and riveted on) and its in the World Registry of Cobras.

And I responded:

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Also, state titles aren't the arbiters of what you're car is or isn't. In CA, your car would be a SPCNS, not a Shelby Cobra. IT IS A REPLICA, since replicas require special exemption(s) to be registered and legally driven on our US roads in 2015. If it were a genuine 1960's Shelby Cobra, then no special exemption would be necessary.

Let's talk about reading comprehension, shall we? I'm confused? Talk about confusion, I think you're suffering from dementia or something.