Continuation Cobras & SAAC

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by twobjshelbys

Now wait just a second. Let's compare apples to apples. I'm betting yours (like many) is not painted (I've never seen it). Take your bare naked lady and get it painted. When I inquired about a full paint job to get my packer car repainted it was about 20K.

And I got equivalent parts service from Shelby.

I can't say the same for Roush though but that story is documented elsewhere.

For your information, a polished body with center brushed stripes, besides being a lot work too, is a $17,000 option and that's what I have. As I mentioned somewhere in one of the 15 threads Evan started, the 50th Anniversary CSX is $180,000 painted or polished, buyer picks. No price difference.

I'm comparing apples to apples.

[rodneym]

RodKnock,
I've seen you use the term "upgrades" a couple times.
What did you have done?

[RodKnock]

Tony, to be clear, I didn't want any fiberglass replica. Just like you didn't want aluminum because of the potential of hail damage, I had no interest in fiberglass.

Also, one thing I forgot to mention is that the Kirkham weighs in at 2,100 lbs, so the lighter Kirkham (due to the billet aluminum suspension and aluminum rear end, etc.) was another important buy factor for me at that time.

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

And you better read it quickly, or soon, because the next Registry is about to shrink in a big way.

Facts, Fraud, Ned The Curator, Posting 8+ year old SAAC Website Statement That Has Been Completely Revised But Not Disclosing It, Logic, "Certain Liberties Were Taken With The Registry" and "Let's Call A Spade A Spade."

I'll check back in later.

Oooh. Your right. I forgot the Registry is soon to be Kaput as Colonel Dusseldorf would say.

In the meantime. Facts, law Registry boys.

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by Dimis

Not sure why you boys dug this up.
There was a sand pit built to kick this sh!t around in.


Hello Kettle, please meet Pot.

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Sorry Bub. Not at all. I do not represent my car as an original. That would be dishonest. As dishonest as having a non Shelby and having "66COBRA" for plates.

However, based on the facts, law and Registry (until its "kaput" according to Colonel Klink here) I and other Continuation Cobra owners are 100% accurate and fair in referring to our cars as real current production Shelby Cobras or real Cobras as long as we make clear they are not original series cars. What Joe Blow thinks from that point on I couldn't care less.

You can continue to ride that Merry Go round based on your narrative and "interpretation. Not me. But candidly your interpretation or the others in the sour grapes gang matters not a whit to me.

Night night.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by rodneym

RodKnock,
I've seen you use the term "upgrades" a couple times.
What did you have done?

Not twin Paxtons.

Just a bunch of little stuff, like I got the trunk carpeted, door pockets, some "S/C" type venting in the front fenders and in those front duct openings in the mouth, OEM fresh air vents for the interior, corner weighting, turkey pan setup, better flowing and quieter Hushpower mufflers, etc. etc. And then I went back for more, not too long after, but that was like 7 years ago.

[Joe's Garage]

RodKnock, I'm just curious - do you happen to know what the weight savings is between the two?

[Joe's Garage]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

... I and other Continuation Cobra owners are 100% accurate and fair in referring to our cars as real current production Shelby Cobras or real Cobras as long as we make clear they are not original series cars. What Joe Blow thinks from that point on I couldn't care less ...

If you happen to hit a Joe Blow that's super keen on getting one, he will find out your description was a long winded way of saying "replica" when he looks for a dealership to drive one off the lot.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by Joe's Garage

RodKnock, I'm just curious - do you happen to know what the weight savings is between the two?

Well, if you're talking about the alloy CSX 50th Anniversary Edition and the Kirkham, none.

It really depends on the suspension, rear end, engine, etc. choices. And I'm sure Kirkham has made improvements since my #539.

[Joe's Garage]

Kirkham advertises the 427 at under 2000 lbs "with all of our lightweight options and an aluminum engine". The non-lightweight package w/Iron FE @ 2400 lbs.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by Joe's Garage

Kirkham advertises the 427 at under 2000 lbs "with all of our lightweight options and an aluminum engine".

If so, then I'm pissed. I was thinking of sending mine back to UT for improvements and this might be the impetus.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

However, based on the facts, law and Registry (until its "kaput" according to Colonel Klink here) I and other Continuation Cobra owners are 100% accurate and fair in referring to our cars as real current production Shelby Cobras or real Cobras as long as we make clear they are not original series cars. What Joe Blow thinks from that point on I couldn't care less.

Reading your posts is like Pulp Fiction or something. A lot of TV/media references.

I'm going to take a big leap here and say that Col. Klink playing a Nazi in Hogan's Heros probably didn't use the word "kaput" which is Yiddish, a Jewish dialect. But that show was a bit before my time, can't be for sure.

It's a replica and you've stipulated to that fact. It's not a real Cobra. A real Cobra is 1 of the 998. Let's move along. In your case, you can click your heels three times and make a wish.

[RodKnock]

Here ya go Evan, did you forget that quickly? Let me help you remember.

Originally Posted by Nedsel

Regrettably, it is the Shelby organization that committed the fraud, not the buyers of their product. One has to wonder about marketing tactics that beg the law to look the other way so cars could be sold as something they clearly were not. And this is not a case of not being able to say nice things about my old friend Carroll - it's simply stating the facts.

Originally Posted by Nedsel

Evan, ...That your car is a copy is not being debated, but a copy of what? The recreation that preceded it.

Originally Posted by Nedsel

The facts remain as follows: The cars that created the Cobra mystique - the 998 Cobras referred to as genuine, original, and legitimate - were built in the 1960's by the mutual partnership of AC Cars and Shelby American. Everything that followed was a copy in one form or another. Go down the list and name your brand, from Arntz to Butler to Contemporary, etc - they are all facsimiles of the original, and were marketed as such. Some are pretty good copies while some are less so. Regardless, if your Cobra-like automobile wasn't built in the 60's, it is not one of the 998 original cars, hence it must be something else. Such as a replica of one of the original Cobras. It simply can not be anything else, no matter how many different ways you attempt to spin it.

Originally Posted by Nedsel

That's pretty much what everyone has acknowledged. The 60's Cobras are the original, authentic Cobras that define the term "real" in most peoples' minds when they ask the question, "Is that a real Cobra?" They are not asking how exact a copy of the 60's cars your car might be; they are asking, "Was it made in the 60's? Hence, is it a real Cobra?"

[twobjshelbys]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

I'm going to take a big leap here and say that Col. Klink playing a Nazi in Hogan's Heros probably didn't use the word "kaput" which is Yiddish, a Jewish dialect. But that show was a bit before my time, can't be for sure.

Did you know that Robert Clary, "LeBeau" was imprisoned in Buchenwald and liberated from the camp in April, 1945.. Other members of his family were sent to Auschwitz.

We lived in Phoenix when Bob Crane was killed. It remains an open case after the primary suspect was acquitted.

[fordracing65]

Originally Posted by twobjshelbys

Did you know that Robert Clary, "LeBeau" was imprisoned in Buchenwald and liberated from the camp in April, 1945.. Other members of his family were sent to Auschwitz.

We lived in Phoenix when Bob Crane was killed. It remains an open case after the primary suspect was acquitted.

He was killed at the Winfield Place Apartments, I use to live their in high school...

[twobjshelbys]

Originally Posted by fordracing65

He was killed at the Winfield Place Apartments, I use to live their in high school...

Right after we moved to the valley and before we bought our first house we lived in some apartments in Tempe when someone mid level mob guy that was in witness protection had his beautiful silver mark iv Lincoln blown up with him in it. He forgot he wasn't supposed to do stuff that let his old bosses find him. Which they did

[fordracing65]

Originally Posted by twobjshelbys

Right after we moved to the valley and before we bought our first house we lived in some apartments in Tempe when someone mid level mob guy that was in witness protection had his beautiful silver mark iv Lincoln blown up with him in it. He forgot he wasn't supposed to do stuff that let his old bosses find him. Which they did

They found Sammy the bull about a mile from my house, he was in the witness protection program and was caught selling the drug ecstasy in the thousands, about a mile from where I live now...this was about 10-12 years ago now...I see the house everyday when I drive by it...