Cobra vs exotics at the track???

[legenmetals]

I'm currently building a TA2 type track car with a D3 Ford.
It will wear a AR Mustang body. 2400 lb. With 800 up and full tube chassis,quickchange,t101a,and all safety gear. It will be fun.

[fordracing65]

Originally Posted by tnc110

What builder and engine is in this car?

CSX3170 states its an original cobra with a 482 Kenetic FE

[Gary(SF)]

Originally Posted by tnc110

That is correct. I am not looking for a committed track car...I would want a street car that I could throw a set of tires on and play with some friends at the track.

Depends to a large extent on relative driver abilities...if you have similar (or worse) track ability you will get owned pretty hard by any modern supercar. Another thing to remember - you don't want to go off and take a chance on ending up inverted in the Cobra. Not a healthy activity at all, and it's another area the modern supercar has an advantage over the Cobra, they are much safer in a crash. Be careful out there.

[Bernica]

And the thing about a Miata is, as stated, it's relatively cheap and safe. And you don't have to take out a second on the house to replace it! Just get another one and keep racing!

[Dimis]

Racing is all about traction - tires and set-up (Suspension and aero included).
Driver skill is a distant third to the two above. There are plenty examples of this.

In regards to old vs new (458 Italia vs Kirkham):
Its been done... Well sort of. No twisty bits on the track but hey... It was a hoot anyway:

Drag race - Kirkham 65 side-oiler vs Ferrari 458 italia

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PW0qpOdRNp4[/ame]

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTf0bj7Ho0U[/ame]


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If I wanted a street cobra that I could track Tommy gave you a good list in post #4
Start there, and let your budget guide you.

Best wishes

[undy]

Originally Posted by Dimis

Racing is all about traction - tires and set-up (Suspension and aero included).
Driver skill is a distant third to the two above. There are plenty examples of this.

In regards to old vs new (458 Italia vs Kirkham):
Its been done... Well sort of. No twisty bits on the track but hey... It was a hoot anyway:

Drag race - Kirkham 65 side-oiler vs Ferrari 458 italia

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PW0qpOdRNp4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTf0bj7Ho0U


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If I wanted a street cobra that I could track Tommy gave you a good list in post #4
Start there, and let your budget guide you.

Best wishes

I think most everyone's talking about a track event, not drag racing. But... since you're mentioning/comparing drag capabilities of a much modified Cobra to a stock Ferrari lets compare apples to apples. I've several buddies that have heads/cam/intake Z06s that are V-E-R-Y streetable w/no power adders (nitrous or boost) and still running a hydraulic roller cam that are turning 9.80s and 9.90s @ 140+ through the quarter.

Now... if you really want to get wild there's a guy with an 08 Z06 that won the LSX street car shootout last year (as I recall) with a 5.19 @ 223.

[Detroit Bill]

Get an Ariel Atom S.

[Dimis]

Originally Posted by undy

But... since you're mentioning/comparing drag capabilities of a much modified Cobra to a stock Ferrari lets compare apples to apples.

Agree with the sentiment of your post - But what does "much modified" mean when it comes to a cobra?

That Kirkham was pretty much a standard build as far as Kirkhams go, (482 Alu build) on old, shot, tires no less.

But, Yes you are correct - A Kirkham wouldn't be my first choice for a track car. I cringe at the thought of trashing it...

[fordracing65]

track only car, areil atom

[twobjshelbys]

Also radical Radical Sportscars / UK / Home

SPring Mountain https://www.springmountainmotorsport...dical-division has a dedicated area for them - people own the cars and leave them there with service/maintenance and everything. They also sell in the US.

[Dominik]

3170 is not your typical track Cobra... :-)
Look for his posts! This car is more like "We lead, others follow".
Wasn't he preparing for a roll-out in November in Arizona? I wish I could be there...

[mikeinatlanta]

I still think many sell the originals (and close replicas) short on track potential. Keep in mind that these were very competent track cars by design. Add some modern brakes, up the power, correct a few suspension issues, modern rubber, and fix a few glaring aerodynamic issues and you still have a nearly unbeatable combination of light weight, minimal frontal area, big power, and minimal moa. Add a bolt in cage with a proper seat and you will be as stiff and safe as any modern production car and still be fine for the street with it removed.

I wouldn't have the heart to cut up anything as nice as any CSX or Kirkham, but hacked up an FFR with a clean conscience. Some of the replicas have much more track potential than others so choose wisely if you want respectable lap times. One thing I fully agree with, and that is that it's not wise to go anywhere near 10/10ths with the standard roll bar. No need to get killed over a hobby. The question to me is: When you buddy is spanking you in his new Z06, will you be capable of holding it to 8/10ths? If not, you need something that will protect you in a crash.

[legenmetals]

Look at the Bac Mono.

[twin turbo]

Originally Posted by Dimis

That Kirkham was pretty much a standard build as far as Kirkhams go, (482 Alu build) on old, shot, tires no less.

Might be a slight stretch to call a 700 fwhp engine a standard build .

[Morris]

Here Kitty, Kitty,Kitty...... Wanna come out and play..... KMP259 needs a Playmate....

[twin turbo]

Wasn't there talk of the Ferrari 458 and the Kirkham racing each other on a road course as well?