Originally Posted by peterpjb (Post 1379529)

i would never ever think about driving a porsche 356 speedster replica but i am thinking about driving a quality cobra (289) rebuilt, because its the original manufacturing-concept

i am a fan of craftsmanship and therefore i am opting for an alubody but probably i will not spend a 100 grands extra for another vinplate ;)

Originally Posted by peterpjb (Post 1379529)

i read that thread a bit diagonal and i understand your sensitivities, especially when the same old arguments come from a newbie.

but let me explain my newbie-status

i am not yet an owner of a cobra but i hope i will be soon (not easy to decide and not easy to find the right one)

i am involved in (european) classic cars for about 30 years and i think i know a little about that stuff.

i rebooted my special cobra interest only a few month ago, so i am far away from beeing a cobra specialist but i think i have a little overview meanwhile,

i started my cobra interest while searching for an ac ace, missed a very cool offer for a 2.6 ace ruddspeed and stated that the "normal" ace and ace bristol are quite expensive nowadays ;), (in 1999 i rejected an offer to change my '61 alfa giulietta spider 1/1 to an ace bristol :rolleyes:)

beside that i am not a collector but looking for fun while driving
so i thought hardly any ac ace or 356 speedster would be more fun to drive than my giulietta because they all have quite the same power

the logical conclusion is the same drawn 50 years ago: ace with much more power = cobra

but in my opinion a cobra is a complete other thing than the most european collectables;
it is a kit car from the beginning, the cobra is not a specific car like a jaguar, ferrari, or a porsche, but it is a manufacturing-concept
that concept is even strengthened while using it since 50 years

i would never ever think about driving a porsche 356 speedster replica but i am thinking about driving a quality cobra (289) rebuilt, because its the original manufacturing-concept

i am a fan of craftsmanship and therefore i am opting for an alubody but probably i will not spend a 100 grands extra for another vinplate ;)

Originally Posted by LMH (Post 1379536)

Kirkham 289 model with a differential is right about $100,000. You'll need drivetrain from there. Be forewarned, 289 stuff is very expensive and hard to come by if you're into originality.
Larry

Originally Posted by RodKnock (Post 1379540)

How did you get to your $100,000 price differential?

Originally Posted by peterpjb (Post 1379537)

thanks, indeed i am opting for a kirkham 289 fia, i live in germany and the registration options here are very restrictive, so i need to find a car with a german registration, the one i am opting for is complete but needs some work for looking as i imagine, but i think thats normal.....

Originally Posted by LMH (Post 1379543)

I clicked on the differential option on the price list and the total showed just under $100,000 with options.
Larry

Originally Posted by RodKnock (Post 1379548)

You clicked on what and where?

AFAIK, the Shelby ALLOY roller is $160,000 and the Kirkham roller is $100,000, but you would have to paint the Kirkham or brush/polish it, so you would add $15,000 to the Kirkham roller. So, that would be a $45,000 difference ($160,000-$115,000), not $100,000. And then each manufacturer has a bunch of options that you add to each price.

Originally Posted by LMH (Post 1379536)

Kirkham 289 model with a differential is right about $100,000. Larry

Originally Posted by RodKnock (Post 1379556)

Then can you take me through your calculations on how you arrived at a $100,000 differential? Differential between what? I don't understand.

Originally Posted by LMH (Post 1379558)

It's not a $100,000 differential, it's adding the differential to the cost of the car.
You know, ring, pinion, case Etc. Go to the site and look at the price list. You'll see what I'm talking about.
Larry

Originally Posted by RodKnock (Post 1379562)

OK, now I understand. You're not comparing the price difference between Shelby and Kirkham alloy rollers. You're saying that once you buy a roller from Kirkham, then add $100,000 for options, engine and transmission. I get it.

Originally Posted by LMH (Post 1379567)

Partially yes. I'm not comparing the cost difference between Shelby and Kirkham, correct. I'm going down the options list on the 289 KMS roller and adding a differential to that. It came to $100,000 at the bottom.
Larry

Originally Posted by RodKnock (Post 1379574)

Partially or completely?

I bought a new Kirkham and I didn't spend $100,000 or anywhere even approaching that amount to finish my car. But then I didn't option two roll bars, copper body, heater/AC, stainless steel frame, original suspension with billet Girlings, hardtop, etc. ;)

Originally Posted by LMH (Post 1379536)

Kirkham 289 model with a differential is right about $100,000. You'll need drivetrain from there. Larry

Originally Posted by RodKnock (Post 1379531)

I'm also a Porsche owner and I'd have no problem with driving a speedster replica. However, I'd never drive one to a PCA event. Those Porsche owners can be mean. :D

If you're thinking of an alloy body, then a Kirkham roller is $100,000 and the Shelby roller is $160,000. I think Evan (Real 1) posted somewhere, maybe his for sale ad, that the Shelby alloy roller is $164,000. But it's in that price range.

Everyone has their own price sensitivities and opinion about real/genuine/original/authentic/replica/reproduction/clone/tribute/etc. And whatever you buy, the choice you make will be the best Cobra for you.

Originally Posted by Bartruff1 (Post 1379653)

LOL.. . I have owned a number of Porches since 1969 and currently have 3 of them, if you count a Cayman..... I also have a georgeous replica 356a JPS Coupe and I will shove a 911 out of the way to drive it.

I love to take it to Porsche events just to get their reaction.

My favorite Porsche joke is " How do you tell a porcupine from a Porsche ?

....with a porcupine, the pricks are on the outside "...