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How about the Superformance Safir GT40? Or the Shelby HiTech Cobra? Or the Shelby Kirkham Daytona Coupe? Or the Chevy Superformance Grand Sport?
Call all of them what you prefer. The company lawyers have agreed to name them as they're named based upon legal contracts and money. They are what they are. |
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as far as i know the term "continuation" is used by the following manufacturers/cars aston martin > db4gt jaguar > e-type lightweight, xkss lister > knobbly lamborghini > miura cunningham > cr4 lola > t70mkb ac > cobra shelby > cobra, gt40 any other ? |
Ferrari is dead....Porsche is dead....the Ferrari you buy today is a Ferrari, just as a Porsche is a Porsche.....the Shelby Cobra you buy today is not a original, but it is a Shelby Cobra...if you want to call it a "continuation" car that is fine.
There is more than a semantical difference between a replica and a continuation car...Like everything., the value is what someone is willing to pay for it :) |
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"Continuation" is just another euphemism or marketing ploy gimmick for "replica" or "reproduction." And the old SAAC Registry tells the story of the how and why the various moniker(s) came into existence. But whatever floats everyone's boats. Call it whatever you want, just don't call it "surely" or "Shirley." :LOL: |
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No, the Continuation Series is a Shelby product with a Shelby Vin and a Shelby MSO and there are laws and regulations the govern the advertising and marketing of a Product.
They all have good lawyers and no replica maker uses the term Continuation Series and if they did they would find themselves in Court. Words have meanings in context, and if anyone else attempted to sell a Continuation Cobra by conflating the meaning, they might get a visit from the FBI and face fraud charges. :) |
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Inspired by the Lightweight E-type project, each new XKSS continuation will be being painstakingly hand-built at Jaguar’s new facility in Warwick. The first of the new continuation Jaguar XKSS will be delivered in 2017. More: Classic Continuations | Iconic Car Recreations | Jaguar Aston Martin: One of Aston Martin’s most iconic models – the DB4 G.T. - is to be celebrated with a special series of 25 track-only continuation cars built to lightweight specification by Aston Martin Works at Newport Pagnell. Remaining faithful to the design of those original eight factory lightweights, each DB4 G.T. continuation will be built with Aston Martin Works’ unrivalled experience and exemplary attention. Employing a blend of old world craftsmanship and modern techniques, continuation cars benefit from improvements in engine performance, handling, braking and safety, with great care taken to ensure these enhancements build upon the original’s exceptional qualities while retaining its feel and character. Underlining that authenticity are the continuation car VIN numbers, which carry on from the last original DB4 G.T. ordered - Chassis 0202R - for an unbroken bloodline and impeccable Newport Pagnell-built pedigree spanning half a century. More: https://www.astonmartin.com/en/media...-in-the-making IMO, the term "continuation" should be restricted to vehicles that are a continuation or an extension of the original production. Different methods may be used in their construction (e.g. TIG welding, stamped aluminum body panels instead of hand-formed), but the cars are as close as they can be to those originally produced both aesthetically and mechanically. Aston Martin is making improvements in a number of areas on their DB4 G.T. cars, but none which should detract from the originals' "feel and character." I'm okay with that. Based upon the foregoing definition, Shelby's use of the term "Continuation" would be improper, notwithstanding it's otherwise broad acceptance. "Replica" or "representation" would be a more accurate term than "Continuation". OTOH, Shelby has most likely trademarked the term "Continuation Series" and, as such, has exclusive use to the term - even if it is improperly applied to a replica. |
" the term "continuation" should be restricted to vehicles that are a continuation or an extension of the original production."
in fact the shelby "production " is the same than 53 years ago, only that the alubodys are delivered by kirkham instead of ac ( better quality;)), the specs are completely original |
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There are others far more knowledgeable than me about how faithful the current Shelby "Continuation Series" cars are to the original, and I welcome their input. TIA |
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It's all good. I call ALL Shelby Cobras made after the 1960's replicas. I totally understand the need to protect the Shelby replicas. There's monetary value to it. So, NO! Shelby is not really Shelby anymore. An investment group purchased Shelby many years ago and then the company went public. And as for the SPF GT40s, they're called continuations too. And they're listed in the SAAC Registry, for now. We all know the story. Safir bought the name from Ford and SPF licenses the name from Safir. But call them "continuations." I call them replicas made by a company that only exists in name. Or, you call them Kirkham's with badges. We've been through this already a hundred times. |
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Here's CSX1013 for sale: 1965 Shelby Cobra AC COBRA | eBay "Presented here is a 1965 Shelby AC Cobra Vin CSX-1013 as listed in the Shelby Registry. This is the last all aluminum body to be hand built on the original bucks by AC in Britain. Carroll Shelby signed a 3 year contract with AC in 2004 to build 50 a year for a total of 150 cars, These cars were to be exact replicas of the 60’s cars, except for gauges and the things needed to be federally compliant in the USA." The seller has it correct. |
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Yaaaa, sure. What a crock of S. Unbroken bloodline? :LOL: They must mean besides at least 1 bankruptcy and being sold several times including Ford owning them for a while. Unbroken. Holy cow! Yep, it's a "continuation," of something, alright. :LOL:**) What's next, the Rolex, Dodge Challenger or Grateful Dead/Journey/Van Halen "continuation" analogy? |
rodnock, cannot understand why you are so upset, nobody denies that continuation cars are replicas, but they are replicas from the original manufacturer, thats all...
and btw every company had changes in economics over the decades, even and especially porsche (vw) and ferrari (fiat), etc... |
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Yes, every manufacturer has changed ownership in some form or another. And that's my point. They're no longer the "original" manufacturer and when they call them "continuations," all that really means is that they're reproducing a replica of an old car from 50 years ago. "Continuation" is just a fancy word for replica. Shelby, Aston Martin and Jaguar can call them continuations or anything else they want. All it means to me and many others is that they're replicas made by a company that is no longer the actual OEM. The OEM in its original form is long gone. |
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is there more originality of a manufacturer than in the personality of the founder, inventor, eponym and (partial) owner? in this case SAI can claim to be the original manufacturer until 2012 at least and in that case you're right, neither aston martin, jaguar, ac, maserati nor any other company can claim this in matters of continuation cars..... |
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Manufacturers can claim or use the term "continuation." SPF claims their GT40's are "continuations." But we all know that it's NOT 1960's anymore. With the Shelby Cobra replicas, there's a gap of around 30 years between production and the cars NOT made in the 1960's are "kit cars," "component cars" or "specially constructed vehicles." We've really beaten this dead horse a 1,000,000 times already. Let's move on. :) |
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