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Old 03-23-2016, 03:57 AM
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Default interesting news about the continuation car theme

The Jaguar XKSS is back

another level of "real"-ness ?
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Not new news here.
But this is a different model then their earlier continuation cars, so it is news to me.
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And as accurate as they might be, Goodwood will not allow them because they are considered "replicas"...
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When the vintage racing grids become smaller because the originals are too valuable to be put in harms way they will allow them, they already do, or face the demise of the particular event.
I have been to Goodwood (Revival) an it is an amazing event and the machinery is breathtaking but all is not what it appears or thought to be, it is thought that one of the races held during the event should be renamed the "Kirkham Cup".
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Well if they keep crashing them like they did last weekend, I would expect that you are exactly correct! These are two links of significant crashes from last weekend.

AC Cobra Crashes at Goodwood, Footage Is Extremely Painful - Updated

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=021GVfHJ_YE[/ame]
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I believe the silver Cobra had crashed during the event in 2008, it bounced off its nose and came back around to crumpled the rear as well.
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Article is dated March 20, 2016 and refers to last weekend..
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The Jaguar XKSS is back

another level of "real"-ness ?
$1mil+++ pounds? How much is labor in England? Those jag badges must be very fancy
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I believe the silver Cobra had crashed during the event in 2008, it bounced off its nose and came back around to crumpled the rear as well.
So you mean it has wrecked before?
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Hi guys from the UK.

Yes it is all very curious, how Jaguar have managed to produce these E types and now it seems in the pipeline, XK SS's and seemingly got them passed through European IVA. That's individual Vehicle Assessment and it means brand new one off vehicles, can be road registered if they meet certain European standards, which are basically watered down versions of those applicable to new vehicles. The idea is 1) to stop people making dangerous cars and 2) preventing for example a Bugatti type 35 made out of spares, being sold as a genuine car built by Bugatti. It's making life very difficult for kit car manufacturers and builders.

Additionally, the rules make it very difficult to make a classic car compliant. There's loads of stuff like, minimum dashboard radii, no sharp edges, lamp dimension, fog lamps, hundreds of dimensions to fall within and all stuff that a period faithful XK would fail. Emissions are a different matter, as the rules amongst other things, allows basically one remanufactured part such as the engine and that's tested to the period date of manufacture.
This is all about obtaining for the car, the vital or 'normal' UK registration number plate to fit on the car. If you don't meet the criteria, which is practically examined, you get the dreaded non challengeable 'Q' plate. This means a registration number beginning with Q, which means a car of no determinable age. Rightly or wrongly, the UK this renders the car comparatively worthless.
How Jaguar have seemingly overcome the process designed to stop what they are doing, is interesting to say the least. Generally, the DVLA (the licencing body) don't accept that a manufacturer can say 'Goodness me, here's some chassis we forgot to make back in the '60s'. I think Shelby himself, got into deep water over similar antics, your side of the Pond, did he not?
I have been very involved with the intricacies of IVA and the manual runs to hundreds of pages. An unscrupulous person could get round the test by presenting a car built to pass, then changing everything after registration. But I don't believe Jaguar would do that.

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Newer classics can be race registered just very detailed highly accurate versions in period trim.
For example there are at least three FIA Kirkhams in the process of acceptance it just requires details such as Magnesium wheels, steel tube suspension, Girling brakes basically all old school period stuff.
The US is more forgiving. John is correct as the field thins more forgiving rules will be made to keep things alive or our kids will never see this first hand again.
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Yes, I believe it has been wrecked at least once previously, in 2008 when I attended the "Revival".
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I believe that the cars raced in Europe have to comply with "FIA" certification of the particular make and model. A 289 Cobra would have to have all the parts and prices that the car was originally certified with in period. I do not believe that the person doing the "FIA" certification has to prove that the car is an original or not.
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Yes, I believe it has been wrecked at least once previously, in 2008 when I attended the "Revival".
Ouch! Those are a couple of expensive lessons!
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I have been very involved with the intricacies of IVA and the manual runs to hundreds of pages. An unscrupulous person could get round the test by presenting a car built to pass, then changing everything after registration. But I don't believe Jaguar would do that.
Jaguar could keep their name "clean" by not Type Approving the cars and point the customers in the direction of another company to take care of that problem, or leave it up to the customer personally. I would not be surprised if Jaguar had in their inventory a complete set of compliant components that the customer could purchase.
"Unscrupulous" is a bit strong though. I see your Mk4 has parts fitted that would not pass. (Depending when it was first registered). A little change/upgrade here and there ��
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Jaguar could keep their name "clean" by not Type Approving the cars and point the customers in the direction of another company to take care of that problem, or leave it up to the customer personally. I would not be surprised if Jaguar had in their inventory a complete set of compliant components that the customer could purchase.
"Unscrupulous" is a bit strong though. I see your Mk4 has parts fitted that would not pass. (Depending when it was first registered). A little change/upgrade here and there ��
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I meant merely to explain the situation with IVA in general, that a person is at liberty to present a car for IVA and subsequently make changes afterwards.
You must know full well that a certain replica model manufacturer in the UK (not a Cobra) had headlamps positioned far too low to pass IVA. He supplies or can suggest modern lamps on pods, completely out of keeping with the model from the 1960s, but which may be fitted to ensure IVA compliance. I know of nothing that prevents the owner from removing these after the test is passed and reverting to the period height lamps.
I was suggesting that I can't believe Jaguar would do anything that exposes them to IVA manipulation. So how are they getting these cars, that are supposed to be exact replicas, registered?
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another 2,0 Mio $ Kit Car available

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Well if they keep crashing them like they did last weekend, I would expect that you are exactly correct! These are two links of significant crashes from last weekend.

AC Cobra Crashes at Goodwood, Footage Is Extremely Painful - Updated

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=021GVfHJ_YE
Wow, that was nasty. Hope that guy was OK.
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I think it is great that they are making them...but they are what they are...

and they are not originals....

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