interesting news about the continuation car theme

[1985 CCX]

Newer classics can be race registered just very detailed highly accurate versions in period trim.
For example there are at least three FIA Kirkhams in the process of acceptance it just requires details such as Magnesium wheels, steel tube suspension, Girling brakes basically all old school period stuff.
The US is more forgiving. John is correct as the field thins more forgiving rules will be made to keep things alive or our kids will never see this first hand again.

[CompClassics]

Yes, I believe it has been wrecked at least once previously, in 2008 when I attended the "Revival".

[Bernica]

Originally Posted by CompClassics

Yes, I believe it has been wrecked at least once previously, in 2008 when I attended the "Revival".

Ouch! Those are a couple of expensive lessons!

[CompClassics]

I believe that the cars raced in Europe have to comply with "FIA" certification of the particular make and model. A 289 Cobra would have to have all the parts and prices that the car was originally certified with in period. I do not believe that the person doing the "FIA" certification has to prove that the car is an original or not.

[RodKnock]

How about the Superformance Safir GT40? Or the Shelby HiTech Cobra? Or the Shelby Kirkham Daytona Coupe? Or the Chevy Superformance Grand Sport?

Call all of them what you prefer. The company lawyers have agreed to name them as they're named based upon legal contracts and money. They are what they are.

[peterpjb]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

How about the Superformance Safir GT40? Or the Shelby HiTech Cobra? Or the Shelby Kirkham Daytona Coupe? Or the Chevy Superformance Grand Sport?

Call all of them what you prefer. The company lawyers have agreed to name them as they're named based upon legal contracts and money. They are what they are.

superformance and hitech aren't the original manufacturer of these cars, so they cannot continue their production and they don't claim that by the way

as far as i know the term "continuation" is used by the following manufacturers/cars

aston martin > db4gt
jaguar > e-type lightweight, xkss
lister > knobbly
lamborghini > miura
cunningham > cr4
lola > t70mkb
ac > cobra
shelby > cobra, gt40

any other ?

[peterpjb]

" the term "continuation" should be restricted to vehicles that are a continuation or an extension of the original production."

in fact the shelby "production " is the same than 53 years ago, only that the alubodys are delivered by kirkham instead of ac ( better quality), the specs are completely original

[cycleguy55]

Originally Posted by peterpjb

" the term "continuation" should be restricted to vehicles that are a continuation or an extension of the original production."

in fact the shelby "production " is the same than 53 years ago, only that the alubodys are delivered by kirkham instead of ac ( better quality), the specs are completely original

So, fiberglass bodied "Continuation Series" cars are completely faithful to original specifications? Other than using the 90" wheelbase, there are many differences, including differences in the frames as well as the shape of the bodies.

There are others far more knowledgeable than me about how faithful the current Shelby "Continuation Series" cars are to the original, and I welcome their input.

TIA

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by cycleguy55

So, fiberglass bodied "Continuation Series" cars are completely faithful to original specifications? Other than using the 90" wheelbase, there are many differences, including differences in the frames as well as the shape of the bodies.

There are others far more knowledgeable than me about how faithful the current Shelby "Continuation Series" cars are to the original, and I welcome their input.

TIA

They can't be faithful, since they weren't made in the 1960's.

[peterpjb]

Originally Posted by cycleguy55

So, fiberglass bodied "Continuation Series" cars are completely faithful to original specifications? Other than using the 90" wheelbase, there are many differences, including differences in the frames as well as the shape of the bodies.

There are others far more knowledgeable than me about how faithful the current Shelby "Continuation Series" cars are to the original, and I welcome their input.

TIA

for sure not the glass models

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by peterpjb

" the term "continuation" should be restricted to vehicles that are a continuation or an extension of the original production."

in fact the shelby "production " is the same than 53 years ago, only that the alubodys are delivered by kirkham instead of ac ( better quality), the specs are completely original

The specs are NOT original. Nearly everything is different, right down to the thickness of the alloy. Even something like magnesium Halibrands were used versus alloy Trigos.

[RodKnock]

BTW,

Here's CSX1013 for sale:
1965 Shelby Cobra AC COBRA | eBay

"Presented here is a 1965 Shelby AC Cobra Vin CSX-1013 as listed in the Shelby Registry. This is the last all aluminum body to be hand built on the original bucks by AC in Britain. Carroll Shelby signed a 3 year contract with AC in 2004 to build 50 a year for a total of 150 cars, These cars were to be exact replicas of the 60’s cars, except for gauges and the things needed to be federally compliant in the USA."

The seller has it correct.

[peterpjb]

rodnock, cannot understand why you are so upset, nobody denies that continuation cars are replicas, but they are replicas from the original manufacturer, thats all...

and btw every company had changes in economics over the decades, even and especially porsche (vw) and ferrari (fiat), etc...

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by peterpjb

rodnock, cannot understand why you are so upset, nobody denies that continuation cars are replicas, but they are replicas from the original manufacturer, thats all...

and btw every company had changes in economics over the decades, even and especially porsche (vw) and ferrari (fiat), etc...

I'm not upset. I find it all very funny. That's why I use this emoji You do understand that emoji correct?

Yes, every manufacturer has changed ownership in some form or another. And that's my point. They're no longer the "original" manufacturer and when they call them "continuations," all that really means is that they're reproducing a replica of an old car from 50 years ago. "Continuation" is just a fancy word for replica.

Shelby, Aston Martin and Jaguar can call them continuations or anything else they want. All it means to me and many others is that they're replicas made by a company that is no longer the actual OEM. The OEM in its original form is long gone.

[peterpjb]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

...

Yes, every manufacturer has changed ownership in some form or another. And that's my point. They're no longer the "original" manufacturer and when they call them "continuations," ...

.....

what defines the "originality" of a manufacturer?
is there more originality of a manufacturer than in the personality of the founder, inventor, eponym and (partial) owner?

in this case SAI can claim to be the original manufacturer until 2012 at least

and in that case you're right, neither aston martin, jaguar, ac, maserati nor any other company can claim this in matters of continuation cars.....

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by peterpjb

what defines the "originality" of a manufacturer?
is there more originality of a manufacturer than in the personality of the founder, inventor, eponym and (partial) owner?

in this case SAI can claim to be the original manufacturer until 2012 at least

and in that case you're right, neither aston martin, jaguar, ac, maserati nor any other company can claim this in matters of continuation cars.....

From memory, Shelby American was sold sometime prior to 2003 to an investor group which purchased roughly 75% +/- of the company stock. And in 2003, CSBI (Carroll Shelby International) was born and has been a public traded company since. And yes, Carroll Shelby passed in 2012, but that's not what I'm talking about.

Manufacturers can claim or use the term "continuation." SPF claims their GT40's are "continuations." But we all know that it's NOT 1960's anymore. With the Shelby Cobra replicas, there's a gap of around 30 years between production and the cars NOT made in the 1960's are "kit cars," "component cars" or "specially constructed vehicles."

We've really beaten this dead horse a 1,000,000 times already. Let's move on.

[peterpjb]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

... But we all know that it's NOT 1960's anymore. With the Shelby Cobra replicas, there's a gap of around 30 years between production and the cars NOT made in the 1960's are "kit cars," "component cars" or "specially constructed vehicles."

We've really beaten this dead horse a 1,000,000 times already. Let's move on.

but its your hobby to copy and paste the same phrases always,

this phrase:

But we all know that it's NOT 1960's anymore. With the Shelby Cobra replicas, there's a gap of around 30 years between production and the cars NOT made in the 1960's are "kit cars," "component cars" or "specially constructed vehicles.

isn't controversial at all, but you repeat it again and again

[E5USMC]

These threads are always a good time....

[Blue66]

Originally Posted by E5USMC

These threads are always a good time....

Hey it is WINTER !!! This will keep us goin !

[peterpjb]

Continuation Cars And The Market