interesting news about the continuation car theme

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by Antny

What I mean is: I believe that Shelby received the rollers from AC, and added the drivetrains in his shop here in the USA, no? Just like, say a Superformance today.

You do understand the difference right?

Today the buyer buys an incomplete car from Shelby or SPF. The buyer completes the car. In the 1960's, they weren't sold as kits (component, same thing). They were sold as legal driveable cars right from the dealer's lot with engine, trans, clutch and an alignment already done. You got a warranty and the car registration was handled by the selling dealer.

I had to register my Kirkham. I had to go to the CHP and BAR. I had to hire a shop to do the install and sorting. My Kirkham requires a special exemption so that my Cobra passes an emissions test, which I would otherwise miserably fail. My Kirkham did not meet modern federal safety standards at time of sale.

[Antny]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

You do understand the difference right?

Today the buyer buys an incomplete car from Shelby or SPF. The buyer completes the car. In the 1960's, they weren't sold as kits (component, same thing). They were sold as legal driveable cars right from the dealer's lot with engine, trans, clutch and an alignment already done. You got a warranty and the car registration was handled by the selling dealer.

I had to register my Kirkham. I had to go to the CHP and BAR. I had to hire a shop to do the install and sorting. My Kirkham requires a special exemption so that my Cobra passes an emissions test, which I would otherwise miserably fail. My Kirkham did not meet modern federal safety standards at time of sale.

Yeah, I understand the difference. But I'm simply talking about how these cars came to be. Shelby bought rollers and stuffed engines into them. Much the way most of our cars came to be. So in a sense, all of these cars, including the originals, are "kit" cars...or whatever term makes us sleep better at night. :-)

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by Antny

Yeah, I understand the difference. But I'm simply talking about how these cars came to be. Shelby bought rollers and stuffed engines into them. Much the way most of our cars came to be. So in a sense, all of these cars, including the originals, are "kit" cars...or whatever term makes us sleep better at night. :-)

Pre-sale manufacturing process, performed by the OEM and its subcontractor(s), versus a post-sale manufacturing process, performed by the buyer and/or the independent shop that they hire to install the tranny, engine, clutch, exhaust, alignment, etc.

In fact, the early 4000 series could have been purchased in a much more incomplete form, where the buyer could actually do most of the assembly process. I looked at Bernica's CSX4250 before buying my Kirkham and I actually still have pictures of the original owner assembling the car from nearly the ground-up like an ERA, if you want to build your ERA and not have them do the work.

But you guys can see it differently than I and never will the two (opinions) meet.

All I'm hoping here is that Internet articles that get posted here on Club Cobra actually know the history of subject matter that it purports to know and write about. And not pass along BS stories like Shelby CSX4000's use original frames.

[peterpjb]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

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All I'm hoping here is that Internet articles that get posted here on Club Cobra actually know the history of subject matter that it purports to know and write about. And not pass along BS stories like Shelby CSX4000's use original frames.

but no one else than you posted the internet article with the original frame bs story

[cycleguy55]

Originally Posted by peterpjb

but no one else than you posted the internet article with the original frame bs story

A good example of how all of us, collectively, smarter than any one of us. The challenge, of course, is to sort the wheat from the chaff.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by peterpjb

but no one else than you posted the internet article with the original frame bs story

Well, before posting an article by Andy Reid, which YOU posted, you should maybe check his link via his name. The article you posted re: the continuation market was by written by someone who has no clue about the history of the Shelby Cobra. None. Thus, anything he writes is non-authoritative and ignorant of basic facts of which he's writing about.

I said my peace. I'm out. Happy New Year.

[peterpjb]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Well, before posting an article by Andy Reid, which YOU posted, you should maybe check his link via his name. The article you posted re: the continuation market was by written by someone who has no clue about the history of the Shelby Cobra. None. Thus, anything he writes is non-authoritative and ignorant of basic facts of which he's writing about.

I said my peace. I'm out. Happy New Year.

that is a strong statement,
but regardless of your excitement, the article posted in #65 is pretty correct

[cycleguy55]

Originally Posted by peterpjb

that is a strong statement,
but regardless of your excitement, the article posted in #65 is pretty correct

Yes, pretty correct - but only if you accept a very broad definition of what constitutes a 'continuation car'. As previously noted in this thread, many of the purists object to the term 'continuation' in relation to Shelby's CSX replicas - notwithstanding Shelby's use of the term.

While Shelby's CSX rollers make for fine replicas, their use of the term 'continuation' is, in my opinion, an obviously blatant attempt to link their replicas with the original 998 cars and their escalating value. In the process, they're attempting to add marketing 'lustre' and value to their replicas and command a higher price in the market - which appears to be working. I can't blame them to for that.

While there are obviously many who feel the Shelby name and CSX designation provide additional value, there are also many who are quite pleased to own Superformance, Kirkham or other marques - and use the money saved for other things.

There's a lid for every pot.