Lance Stander (Superformance) makes Forbes

[mrmustang]

Originally Posted by Bernica

Nice job Lance! A great story and great for Superformance! For those that have not met him, he's a great guy.

Forbes Welcome

Great article, but I'm sorry to say, I'm also embarrassed for him with some of the comments (bordering on ignorant) he made within.


Bill S.

[Mark IV]

Originally Posted by mrmustang

Great article, but I'm sorry to say, I'm also embarrassed for him with some of the comments (bordering on ignorant) he made within.


Bill S.

Bill and all.

Please note that Lance sent all of the dealers an email with a link to the Forbes article. He also made us aware that they misquoted and made factual errors in the story. As a rule journalists do not share the story with the interviewed prior to publication so there is no opportunity to give corrections or resolve misunderstanding.

While Lance is very positive on the product, he knows what it is and what it is not. It is not an "original Shelby" and we do not represent the product as such. It IS a "Shelby licensed product" (as are some other items) and in the case of the 289 MK II a virtual duplicate to the original with allowances for available materials and parts as well as numerous improvements which the Hi Tech built Shelby cars also feature.

Also some of the cars pictured are "Shelby's" as Hillbank is also a Shelby dealer. I an sure the reporter did not understand or notice the difference. This is not a case of lance trying to confuse people as to what is a "Shelby" and what is a "Superformance"

I am certain that Lance would not have approved the terminology used by the Forbes writer if he had the opportunity to do so.

Let's cut him some slack......

[NewYorkGuy]

lol
check the tape recorder

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by Mark IV

It IS a "Shelby licensed product" (as are some other items) and in the case of the 289 MK II a virtual duplicate to the original with allowances for available materials and parts as well as numerous improvements which the Hi Tech built Shelby cars also feature.

I love how you slip in a sales pitch for the MKII in your explanation and/or retraction of what Lance said in the article. Car sales people to the end!

And it's a very nice car, but one important feature is missing, and that's the aluminum body. But whatever.

I'm not buying what either you or Lance are shoveling. Sorry, but there would have to be a complete breakdown in communication between the Forbes writer and Lance for all those "factual errors" to get printed.

Nope, sorry, no "slack" from me. That nonsense is now in the public domain forever and newbies will read it as gospel. And for that, I'm sad.

[Mark IV]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

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I'm not buying what either you or Lance are shoveling. Sorry, but there would have to be a complete breakdown in communication between the Forbes writer and Lance for all those "factual errors" to get printed.

Have you ever been interviewed for a print medium? I have been (and for an automotive enthusiast publication at that) and what was offered and what was printed differed. And that was to a journalist who is a "car guy"! Imagine with someone who does not begin to understand what is being said.

Was there some hyperbole offered? Likely. Was there out and out misinformation? Not likely as there are too man y like this forum ready to call out misinformation.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by Mark IV

Have you ever been interviewed for a print medium? I have been (and for an automotive enthusiast publication at that) and what was offered and what was printed differed. And that was to a journalist who is a "car guy"! Imagine with someone who does not begin to understand what is being said.

Was there some hyperbole offered? Likely. Was there out and out misinformation? Not likely as there are too man y like this forum ready to call out misinformation.

You can buy it, as an SPF dealer, and others here can buy it, but I'm not.

And yes, I have been interviewed in my life. It was in middle school....

And I've also read thousands and thousands and thousands of them along with their occasional retractions and corrections.

[Mark IV]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

I love how you slip in a sales pitch for the MKII in your explanation and/or retraction of what Lance said in the article. Car sales people to the end!

And it's a very nice car, but one important feature is missing, and that's the aluminum body. But whatever.

I'm not buying what either you or Lance are shoveling. Sorry, but there would have to be a complete breakdown in communication between the Forbes writer and Lance for all those "factual errors" to get printed.

Nope, sorry, no "slack" from me. That nonsense is now in the public domain forever and newbies will read it as gospel. And for that, I'm sad.

Yes,

I do sell Superformance. Not ashamed at all.

And it is obvious you have made up your mind so we won't bother you with facts.

I don't understand your issue with the "Shelbys as they are real (but not old, original, period, whatever) Shelbys.

Yes, most of us all drive a "replica" unless we have a '60s era car that originated at Thames Ditton. Different strokes and different degrees.

I guess I missed the memo where you were made arbiter of all things "Cobra"!

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by Mark IV

Yes, most of us all drive a "replica" unless we have a '60s era car that originated at Thames Ditton. Different strokes and different degrees.

Well if other manufacturers would put "replica" in their names, as in ERA Replica Automobiles, life would just be easier for everyone around.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by Mark IV

Yes,

I do sell Superformance. Not ashamed at all.

And it is obvious you have made up your mind so we won't bother you with facts.

I don't understand your issue with the "Shelbys as they are real (but not old, original, period, whatever) Shelbys.

Yes, most of us all drive a "replica" unless we have a '60s era car that originated at Thames Ditton. Different strokes and different degrees.

I guess I missed the memo where you were made arbiter of all things "Cobra"!

I'll scan and email the memo to you.

You know the history here, but yes, I have a problem with the use of words "authentic", "genuine", "real", "original," etc. And replicas do NOT equal those 4+ words.

And we've discussed and argued this topic here since CC was started. And I believe Ned Scudder, the SAAC Registrar of CSX2000's/3000's had the same problem. But I don't want to start it again.

Yes, I have made up my mind. That doesn't mean that it could never change. BTW, why are you not the moderator for the GT40's SPF Forum anymore?

[Mark IV]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

BTW, why are you not the moderator for the GT40's SPF Forum anymore?

Because I am a flaming A$$hat.

Politics and we will leave it at that. I actually STILL am the "moderator" but there has been no need for moderation in the forum I am responsible for. That is big difference between the forums, GT40s.com has a very low signal to noise ratio and the goofball stuff stays in the Paddock forum.

[jhv48]

Real1 must be giggling his ass off right now.

[GOstberg]

I have owned a Superformance for a number of years...it is a VERY nicely built Cobra to very tight standards. The Superformance community is a tight knit group of folks who love their cars...be it a Cobra, GT40, Daytona Coupe, or whatever. In my opinion, we don't go around ragging on other manufacturers or drivers of other manufacturers, we just are proud our cars are built by folks who truly represent what CS brought to the public and to the track. Others have replicated this too, and so be it. Just be proud that these cars turn heads and turn wheels in the old fashioned way...power and drivability up the yingyang. As was stated above, Lance had no say in the final write and I am sure the writer is NOT an expert...maybe an enthusiast, but obviously not an expert. If you pull up next to me at a stop light in a Kirkham or a FF or any other Cobra, you will see a smile because we all speak the same language...better not miss a shift tho...if you know what I mean.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by GOstberg

I have owned a Superformance for a number of years...it is a VERY nicely built Cobra to very tight standards. The Superformance community is a tight knit group of folks who love their cars...be it a Cobra, GT40, Daytona Coupe, or whatever. In my opinion, we don't go around ragging on other manufacturers or drivers of other manufacturers, we just are proud our cars are built by folks who truly represent what CS brought to the public and to the track. Others have replicated this too, and so be it. Just be proud that these cars turn heads and turn wheels in the old fashioned way...power and drivability up the yingyang. As was stated above, Lance had no say in the final write and I am sure the writer is NOT an expert...maybe an enthusiast, but obviously not an expert. If you pull up next to me at a stop light in a Kirkham or a FF or any other Cobra, you will see a smile because we all speak the same language...better not miss a shift tho...if you know what I mean.

Hi, GOstberg, the SPF product is excellent.

But just for the record here, ironically, on another thread, a CC member MHNCO (Mike from CO, a GT40 owner) is actually calling Kirkham's a blingee POS in his last post. Obviously, Kirkham owners don't care about his opinion, but not every SPF owner appreciates other manufacturers and is a "car guy."

Originally Posted by MHNCO

What's stopping you? Fire sale that blinged out POS and order you one today!

[DAVID GAGNARD]

Originally Posted by GOstberg

I have owned a Superformance for a number of years...it is a VERY nicely built Cobra to very tight standards. The Superformance community is a tight knit group of folks who love their cars...be it a Cobra, GT40, Daytona Coupe, or whatever. In my opinion, we don't go around ragging on other manufacturers or drivers of other manufacturers, we just are proud our cars are built by folks who truly represent what CS brought to the public and to the track. Others have replicated this too, and so be it. Just be proud that these cars turn heads and turn wheels in the old fashioned way...power and drivability up the yingyang. As was stated above, Lance had no say in the final write and I am sure the writer is NOT an expert...maybe an enthusiast, but obviously not an expert. If you pull up next to me at a stop light in a Kirkham or a FF or any other Cobra, you will see a smile because we all speak the same language...better not miss a shift tho...if you know what I mean.

You must be the exception to the rule about Superformance owners NOT RAGGING on other manufacters/drivers of other manufacters, because so far,every encounter I have had with Superformance owners was EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!and I've had more than a few encounters with them in the last 25 years!!!!!!!

I been to races/open track events/local car shows/regional car shows/national car shows and gatherings and so far every Superformance owner went out of his way to diss any other make of Cobra Replica there......had a few come up to me and tell all the faults of the other manufacters and how great the Superformance is...........and best of all, I don't even own a Cobra replica, I have a 1965 GT 350 clone/replica/tribute/look-a-like POS or whatever you want to call my car!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

From my meetings with Superformance owners I would never own any of their products if owning one makes a person act the way I see them act.......

And I LIKE the Superformance line of cars!!!!!!!! just don't like the owners...

It would take no less that 5 pages here to tell you of the encounters I had with them!!!!!!!!!! and none were good!!!!!!!

End of my rant......

David

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by DAVID GAGNARD

From my meetings with Superformance owners I would never own any of their products if owning one makes a person act the way I see them act.......

Well that's an interesting point. Does the owner choose the car or does the car choose the owner? That deserves exploration.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by patrickt

Well that's an interesting point. Does the owner choose the car or does the car choose the owner? That deserves exploration.

Well, in your case, YOU chose the car.

If your CAR had a choice in picking its owner, the car would have not picked you. The CAR would definitely not have wanted to be painted beige.

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Well, in your case, YOU chose the car.

If your CAR had a choice in picking its owner, the car would have not picked you. The CAR would definitely not have wanted to be painted beige.

Ahhh, there's where you're wrong. She loves her color. Have I ever told you that she actually talks to me? Yep, clear as a bell, too.

[DAVID GAGNARD]

Originally Posted by patrickt

Well that's an interesting point. Does the owner choose the car or does the car choose the owner? That deserves exploration.

Don't know and don't really care...........

David