A.C. Cars Ltd. looking for info

LMH · #1 (**permalink**) 10-06-2016, 09:25 PM

A couple more. The number on the chassis is on the shock tower.
Larry

cobrakiwi · #2 (**permalink**) 10-07-2016, 04:05 AM

Certainly looks like it has Kirkham features, that would be my guess.

Looks like a great start for a project build.

mrmustang · #3 (**permalink**) 10-09-2016, 04:28 PM

Confirmed with Ned (again), this is not an original COB/COX car and/or chassis number. He (and I) have seen this type of thing before, 90% of them from overseas, with buyers insisting they are real/original and found sitting in a warehouse or old dealership basement until they bought it.

Bill S

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Originally Posted by LMH

A couple more. The number on the chassis is on the shock tower.
Larry

1ntCobra · #4 (**permalink**) 10-09-2016, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by mrmustang

Confirmed with Ned (again), this is not an original COB/COX car and/or chassis number. He (and I) have seen this type of thing before, 90% of them from overseas, with buyers insisting they are real/original and found sitting in a warehouse or old dealership basement until they bought it.

Bill S

Bill,

I don't think any of us think this is really a COB/COX car. And it seems highly likely (at least to me) that it is a Kirkham, but I suppose there might be a very, very small chance this was something sourced from say some incarnation of "AC" in the last couple of decades. So figuring this is not really a COB/COX car, do you have an opinion on where it may have come from.

From what I understand it is a bit tricky to get a US sourced Cobra replica registered in Canada (unless it is an existing 20 year old complete car), but some manufacturers like Factory Five have found the right formula for producing something that a Canadian can build and register. Perhaps this started off as a Canadian attempting to get a Kirkham registered a number of years ago. From what I understand there is no way to get a Kirkham roller into Canada and get it registered, but perhaps starting with just a Kirkham frame and body might make it easier. Now lets say a Canadian tried to start that, but might have been trying to short cut the process by replacing the serial number, couldn't that have been a way that we got to the current situation? What do you think?

Ken

adv-ent · #5 (**permalink**) 10-09-2016, 06:05 PM

Hi, I resent the latest post, nobody is trying to deceive anybody or try to fool anybody with this chassis number.
I simply was asking if anybody could help me identify the manufacturer, I personally don't care if it is a AC, Kirkham or built by Billy Bob I was just hoping someone could help identify who actually manufactured it and maybe when. It is exactly as it was purchased so what ever or who ever stamped any kind of numbers on it, I have no idea. It is exactly how I received it from the US and from a US seller. It was cleared into Canada years ago as parts only by a local Cobra builder so please let me worry how it will be registered.
Thanks for all your help and especially to Larry for all his comments to me and for posting the pictures.
BK

1ntCobra · #6 (**permalink**) 10-09-2016, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by adv-ent

Hi, I resent the latest post, nobody is trying to deceive anybody or try to fool anybody with this chassis number.
I simply was asking if anybody could help me identify the manufacturer, I personally don't care if it is a AC, Kirkham or built by Billy Bob I was just hoping someone could help identify who actually manufactured it and maybe when. It is exactly as it was purchased so what ever or who ever stamped any kind of numbers on it, I have no idea. It is exactly how I received it from the US and from a US seller. It was cleared into Canada years ago as parts only by a local Cobra builder so please let me worry how it will be registered.
Thanks for all your help and especially to Larry for all his comments to me and for posting the pictures.
BK

I did not intend to insult you and I am sorry if I did. I don't know the whole story, I assumed that you acquired this car from someone else in Canada in its present state and some earlier Canadian owner might have tried to take a short cut with the serial number for some reason. I did not realize that you brought the car in from the US from a US seller. Perhaps going back through the chain of ownership from the US seller backwards might be the best way to figure out what you really have.

Is there a 2 or 3 digit number on the door hinge in the location where Kirkham have their serial number?

adv-ent · #7 (**permalink**) 10-09-2016, 07:22 PM

1ntCobra, OK, thanks no problem.
I have checked everywhere, there are no numbers on the door hinges, I was even asked to check the drivers side rear frame rail end cap where I was told Kirkham sometimes stamps there numbers. There are no numbers anywhere other than the 0666 on the inside of the trunk clasp that I can find.
I even looked very closely to see if maybe original number have been removed but the paint seems original and is in very good condition and nothing seems out of place.
The biggest mystery is why anybody would use the COB 0666 number if it is a known fact that this number never existed and especially when all the original cars chassis numbers seemed to start with 6. Seems like a pretty stupid choice.
I have collected WW2 militaria for years and run into fakes all the time but most fakes encountered are at least not so obvious.
Unfortunately there is no longer any information of the previous owner, I traded the car away and never thought I would ever have a chance to get it back so until a couple of weeks ago it was lost to me. This is why I now am looking for info on who made it because it is now mine again. I can't even remember exactly when the car was purchased, my car is now over seven years old and the aluminum body was purchased before my car was started.
I do know it was not purchased from any kind of manufacturer but from an individual. It was picked up in Malibu Beach from a storage facility.
BK

cycleguy55 · #8 (**permalink**) 10-11-2016, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by 1ntCobra

From what I understand it is a bit tricky to get a US sourced Cobra replica registered in Canada (unless it is an existing 20 year old complete car)

Tricky, yes, and at times a bit of a mine field.

For the record, ANY car (replica or OEM manufactured) at least 15 years old (not 20) can be imported into Canada. The '15 year test' is based upon when the car was completed and proof of completion in one form or another is required. Title descriptions (e.g. FFR roadster titled as a 1965 Cobra) are irrelevant and are not accepted as proof for the 15 year test.

BTW, the above is based upon my research and experience in importing a car in 2014.