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10-17-2016, 09:00 AM
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It's not fraud as no one is attempting to pass it off as something it's not.
Larry
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10-17-2016, 09:22 AM
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Location: No city...only 118 residents in Manter,
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Cobra Make, Engine: Cobra Auto Works body, Ron Godell Racecars chassis, 1989 Mustang GT 5.0 HO (converted to carb), W/C T-5, 3.73's in a Ford 9" Traction-Loc.
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Originally Posted by LMH
It's not fraud as no one is attempting to pass it off as something it's not.
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Agreed, Larry…but…. 
Nobody is trying to deceive anyone now…but what about when that "COB" was stamped onto the shock tower? It seems to me that was an act intended to deceive…an effort at defrauding someone, past though it may be.
Perhaps Mr. Bill is right…a talented amateur...but if they were so talented why did they not know that the "0666" number was already "reserved", so to speak.
Nothing to do with this current owner…but something doesn't pass the smell test about this car's history. Unfortunately, this current owner has now been involved quite unintentionally.
It may be a mystery that cannot be solved…if that's so, so be it…but it sure is curious!
Cheers!
Dugly 
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10-17-2016, 10:03 AM
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Cobra Make, Engine: Hand built CAN-AM Motor car replica, built in British Columbia Canada, motor is an original Ford 427 Lemans side oiler with Shelby aluminum heads and weber intake.
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Dugly, No one is more curious than me on its actual manufacturer.
I think the COB number is also not a problem anymore and why it was put there in the past I don't think we will ever know but because now that I know it is not an original chassis number I would have it removed, problem solved.
Now we would have a chassis with no numbers, does it need numbers?
As far as I can read from this thread, a person can stamp what ever they want on a chassis because it is not a VIN number its more manufactures ID number and it would only become fraud if it was sold as something that it was not.
Correct?
Regards
BK
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10-17-2016, 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by adv-ent
Dugly, No one is more curious than me on its actual manufacturer.
I think the COB number is also not a problem anymore and why it was put there in the past I don't think we will ever know but because now that I know it is not an original chassis number I would have it removed, problem solved.
Now we would have a chassis with no numbers, does it need numbers?
As far as I can read from this thread, a person can stamp what ever they want on a chassis because it is not a VIN number its more manufactures ID number and it would only become fraud if it was sold as something that it was not.
Correct?
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I believe you're correct. The only bogey I see is matching up a stamped VIN to a MCO or MSO, but you don't have one, so that goes away.
I know when I had my car inspected and registered in Saskatchewan they spent some time looking for a 2nd VIN on the frame to match the one on the decal provided by the State of Michigan (Michigan issued the original VIN). Ultimately they accepted there was no VIN on the frame but that wouldn't stop me from stamping one there - especially if the two matched.
You may wish to consult whoever is going to inspect / approve your car to query them about the best approach.
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10-17-2016, 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by cycleguy55
I know when I had my car inspected and registered in Saskatchewan they spent some time looking for a 2nd VIN on the frame to match the one on the decal provided by the State of Michigan (Michigan issued the original VIN). Ultimately they accepted there was no VIN on the frame but that wouldn't stop me from stamping one there - especially if the two matched.
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I suspect I will face a similar issue when I try to change my Texas registration over to Kansas, where I live now. I thought about stamping a matching number (the VIN is on the dash in the usual place, just not a second one on the frame) onto my frame and the only thing stopping me is that I worry that the newly stamped appearance would cause some suspicion…and alerting the very authorities who do the inspections as to the problem might well keep me from being able to EVER get it registered here in Kansas.
I could just phone in a general question…but they always ask for names and this county probably only has about 1200 people so it won't be much of a mystery who it was who called.
I do possess a valid TX title with the VIN on it…just do not have that second number the inspector wants to see.
Cheers!
Dugly
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10-17-2016, 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by YerDugliness
Agreed, Larry…but….
Nobody is trying to deceive anyone now…but what about when that "COB" was stamped onto the shock tower? It seems to me that was an act intended to deceive…an effort at defrauding someone, past though it may be.
Perhaps Mr. Bill is right…a talented amateur...but if they were so talented why did they not know that the "0666" number was already "reserved", so to speak.
Nothing to do with this current owner…but something doesn't pass the smell test about this car's history. Unfortunately, this current owner has now been involved quite unintentionally.
It may be a mystery that cannot be solved…if that's so, so be it…but it sure is curious!
Cheers!
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as long as nobody stamps an original cox-, cob- or csx -vin on a replica, i cannot see any deception, i think nobody mixes "cob 0666" with an original number
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